Dogsey

OK I've calmed down now and we all just have to agree to differ

I'm going to leave it alone, as well. It's easy to get worked up when you're passionate about something.

We're calm, we're okay, we're good. Nobody is shouting or swearing or mumbling obscenities to themselves whilst on the verge of socking their computer screens. Nobody is even remotely angry or irritated.

Keep telling yourself all those things. Okay, too far but you get my point! Calmmm is the way to go.

Enthusiasm should not be confused with dictatorial and sweeping (wrong) statements! Yes, as with anything, there will be instances of dogs not getting on with kibble to dire effect, but there are also lots of dogs who have sadly lost their lives through eating raw. Just because you yourself have not experienced it, it does not mean that it doesn't happen - so perhaps you should sit down and take a long hard think before typing something that might upset others.

I was not going to bother any more with this thread, but the highlighted bit above made me so mad. Once again, you have been so keen to promote your beliefs that you have ignored totally the fact that my dog, and others, CANNOT tolerate animal proteins (nor grains actually) simply because you have not experienced it yourself.

Life is not simply about learning from one's own experiences, but also about gaining knowledge from others. There are many "right ways" of going about things, but it is up to us to use our intelligence to choose the correct one to fit our own particular bill.

Come and sit on the 'terrible owner' step with me then.

Not only am I not prepared to spend half my life ordering, taking delivery of, sorting, cutting up, weighing and putting the 'right bits together' to feed raw (geez wasn't that much trouble feeding my human brood!) and I can't be the only one who not only doesn't WANT to do that, but doesn't have TIME to do that or even freezer space (or, in my case ready access to all the components) but I've owned dogs who were picky eaters and never in a million years would I resort to STARVING them so they'd eat ANYTHING on offer once they were starving hungry enough.

I own a dog because I love dogs and it suits my beach bum, casual, meandering round the country lifestyle to have one and great company and endless source of amusement too. But the dog I have has to fit in with my lifestyle. Not change my lifestyle to one of ordering and worrying about getting enough supplies of all sorts of different raw meats, bone, offal and all sorts. And believe you me I OWN A VERY HAPPY, HEALTHY AND CONTENTED DOG.

If people applied as much draconian rules to what they feed their kids Cadburys, Ben & Jerry, Nestle, KFC, McD, TGFI, and all those mfrs that make chicken nuggets fishy shapes, choco cereals, chocolate spread, crisps, and a zillion other varieties of JUNK FOOD would be out of business. They ain't they are thriving so that's the proof - people don't apply such draconian rules to what they feed their kids. (not the vast majority of them) and if they applied the same rules to what they put in their own bodies we wouldn't be becoming a nation of overweight bodies.

We wouldn't be seeing TV progs about tummy tucks and gastric bypasses and all sorts and there wouldn't be a multi billion dollar industry based around weight watchers, slimmers world, slimming magazines. Children's teeth wouldn't decay. They'd all know what's good for them and good for their teeth and their heart and all that.

I don't know anyone who starved their kids for 3 days to get them to eat a healthy snack!

*oh and should add that if I ever bought a dog whose breeder insisted I feed wholly raw I'd just sign the bluddy paper anyway and then feed it whatever I wanted to. Big Brother isn't a REALITY here yet and how the hell would they know? And I bet quite a few do that - unless they are going to have some sort of dog 'inspectorate' calling round at mealtimes! No way would ANYONE tell me what to do with anything I bought and paid for in full.

I'm not as nice as you! Poor Hal - but we had no choice, it was eat raw or die ... The kibble was poisoning him and it had to go, so really it was easy for me. Sorry to hear about the problems you had though - just bad luck - luckily pain is a great teacher and she learned to chew her food properly!

Sorry - I'm not called gNAshER foR NOthing! Sorry about the caps no idea what's going on with my I pad!

It's a shame that people are unable to read posts. I clearly and concisely explained that Hal had a prolapsed anus due to the kibble he was fed and thus we had no choice but to cease feeding it to him. But why let a few facts stand in the way !

I would not dream of eating junk food and neither did I feed my daughter on it. I do not understand your point of view at all.

Thank you ... But I must defend myself and say here that I tried everything to get him to eat the raw food - cooked liver, cooked meat, gravy,nothing worked. I did the right thing, a tough thing, but it was the right thing. Being a good parent or dog owner sometimes means having to do difficult things not just take the easy path.

I apologise Gnasher in that I clearly missed your post on Hal's prolapsed anus ..... I am sorry for that and that must have been an awful time for both of you.

I think we have learnt from this thread that we feed what be believe is best for our dogs. There will be a lot of people out there feeding rubbish food to their dogs and possibly not feeding them at all, but the fact that we are members of a dog forum means (I would assume) that we are all passionate about our dogs