A Pekingese from 1896 is shown here:

http://retrieverman.wordpress.com/20...ese-evolution/

They were originally from China

There not HUGE problems with breathing in ALL Pekingese & ALL Pugs. There are problem with some because they are overcoated(Pekingese) & overweight(both)& the same applies to several breeds that have never been mentioned on here or PDE(I regularly see a working Labrador Retriever passing my house wheezing & snuffling about twice the size he should be BTW) Orginally both Pekingese & Pugs had longer muzzles, sadly the Victorian ladies liked their companion dogs to look more human baby like, so they bred them with much shorter muzzles & larger eyes(the same goes for the King Charles Spaniels). The modern breeders breed for more coat in Pekingese & this is what causes most of the problems.

As for the Pekingese that went BIS at Crufts, he was allowed to have a cooling mat(& not ice pack)to lay on under the very hot lighting in the BIS arena.

May Ray's dogs cannot be described as having flat faces/over coated but even they have to be cooled down after their performance at Crufts-they don't need this when isn't the same level of lighting.

OT but the BIS Pekingese, along with all the owners' other dogs, are exercised over the the local park & walked there & back as neither owner drives(they go to shows by rail & taxi) Also a Pekingese recently won a class in Obedience-something that a dog with a huge breathing problem would be able to do !

Oh my goodness!

If there was ever a good example of what several of us are saying about people closing their eyes to things the above post is it!


rune

A Pekingese from 1896 is shown here:

http://retrieverman.wordpress.com/20...ese-evolution/

They were originally from China

No I'm not making assumptions, I'm seeing someone who made a valid point about a dog being jumped on and ridiculed
When myself and rune commented again we were shot down
Noone needs to be an expert in the breed to see it isn't healthy, even the breed standard was changed after the show to try and help out the breed
My point is by slagging off and ridiculing someone for saying the dog was unhealthy it makes it look like people are condoning breeding dogs like that
But your latest post makes it seem that you don't
Interesting and sad link to see how far the breed has come in our hands, the original owners would not recognise their breed

Those who thoroughly DISAGREE with the programme and its contents and just about everything relating to it. They cannot seem to see that it might have 'done some good'.

I liken this programme to the Sun (as others have said), they would argue that they have done some good over the years, but to me they are journalism at its worst......not caring who gets hurt in their attempt to get their own agenda over.

I am a great believer in.......you catch more wasps with honey than vinegar. If JH was a more experienced journalist or more talented she could have gotten the message (which was in some cases needed to be said) over in a way that didnt get so many people backs up but she chose the cheap route IMO,

I also dont do liars (either outright statements or inferring information and allowing others to finish it for you), if you can lie about one thing then what else do you lie about? Either do your research thoroughly or pay someone else to do it.

JEMIMA HARRISON has hardly been out of the headlines since the transmission of her PDE programme which caused such a furore. However, it now appears that she has created her own headline after a top winning dog was the subject of wildly inaccurate accusations.

In emails to a top breeder Ms Harrison admits that her own research and accuracy has been found wanting.

Attending the Associate Parliamentary Group for Animal Welfare (APGAW) in December 2010, Ms Harrison not only prepared a damning and inaccurate two page document for circulation at the meeting but also has admitted transmitting it electronically.

The meeting, which was devoted entirely to the breeding of dogs and dangerous dogs, featured attendees from the Kennel Club, the National Dog Wardens' Association, the RSPCA, the BVA, the Dangerous Dogs Act Study Group and Jemima Harrison of Passionate Productions.

Speaking at the meeting, the minutes of which are in the public domain on the APGAW website, she said, ‘I made the Pedigree Dogs Exposed documentary and now I run a blog on pet owners who are experiencing problems. People don’t know how to buy a dog and where to go. We live in an age where we expect things we buy to be of merchantable quality. I have had recent examples of poor Shar Pei breeding, where the current top show dog has both parents having suffered from heredity disease, and yet the dog continues to be bred from. Not much is done if a disease or problem is identified, so I want to say don’t underestimate the scale of this problem and I think the problem is that ultimately we do not have an organisation overseeing the whole thing, which ensures dogs are of merchantable quality before being sold to the consumer.’

On the leaflet she prepared about the Shar Pei, one of the 15 high profile breeds recently designated for special treatment by the Kennel Club, Harrison had cut and pasted unprotected images from the Kennel Club's Crufts website and that of the Shar Pei Club of Great Britain.

However, the inclusion of the Crufts 2010 Best of Breed Ch/Am Ch Asias Red Marsh Whip It Good, proved to be a big mistake.

Resolute

Just four days after the meeting in the House of Commons, one of the co-owners of the American imported dog, Tim Ball, received a copy of the document, addressed to both him and Joy Bradley (another co-owner), anonymously in the post. Initially believing this to be a malicious act, they very quickly realised this was, in fact, a very friendly act which was intended to give them the opportunity to defend their Shar Pei.

It was however, the first they were to know about this document and the spurious accusations contained in it about Wrink.

It would be impossible to describe the utter distress, pain and ultimately anger that these allegations caused Tim and Joy as individuals, and equally as devotees of the breed. Both have been actively involved in the breed since the early 80s. Tim is currently a Vice President and Honorary life member of the Shar Pei Club of Great Britain and Joy is the club secretary. They devote much time and effort to promoting the breed, with health foremost in their endeavours. It was abhorrent to them to be accused of proliferating a disease that they are, in fact, at the forefront of raising funds for research into the very condition they are accused of ignoring.

Resolute in the knowledge that their ward was not as he was being portrayed, they set about getting the evidence to prove just how spurious these accusations were and, with little effort, were able to disprove every false statement made about the dog and his lineage. It seems incredulous that the author of this leaflet could not have achieved the same result with very little research required to do so.

At no time, prior to the publication of the document, were any of Wrink’s owners contacted to comment on the information collated by Ms Harrison from her ‘reliable source’, something surely so fundamental that any researcher/presenter would hold it paramount before rushing into any sort of print. Information was, almost immediately, forthcoming from within the Kennel Club that the author had already recanted the spurious allegation that Wrink had produced puppies with Familial Shar Pei Fever. Very soon after that, Wrink’s co-breeder and co-owner, Lisa Myers, had received a full apology from Ms Harrison, admitting the totally erroneous remarks about his parents both having died of amyloidosis. In actual fact, Wrink’s father (and grandfather) had both been shown at the recent Chinese Shar Pei Club of America’s National Specialty in Lawrence, Kansas, both as veterans and both in beautiful bloom. Wrink’s dam is deceased, but had died in a tragic accident some years previously at the home of Lisa, sadly while she was elsewhere.

At this point, even though Ms Harrison was now in possession of the full and correct facts, she still failed to contact either of the English owners, a fact which totally disgusted both of them. All the allegations had been shown to be unfounded but no contact from her was forthcoming, and this fact alone prompted the first contact between Tim and Ms Harrison.

Replying just a few hours later, Ms Harrison sent an email back to Tim Ball saying that an apology was clearly owed and another one for not pre-empting his email and getting in touch with him before he contacted her.

Jemima also said that the flyer was based on what she believed to be good information from a reliable source. However, she clearly realised it wasn't and went on to apologise for any distress caused. She also told Tim that she had strong views about the Shar-pei, as was clear from her blog. She said that she believed that the conformation needed to change and that the breed was ‘juggling a lot of health problems with, unfortunately, no test available currently for one of the breed's biggest problems.’ She stated she was ‘normally very careful about naming particular dogs’ - not least because she was aware that world of dogs was is awash with misinformation and, if ‘I get it wrong, it discredits me as a commentator.’


She said that the flyer was never intended for publication. ‘It was prepared for a small meeting’ she said, ‘I took only five copies of it with me and returned with two, so it had very limited distribution at the meeting.’

She said that she had then sent it electronically to the same three people and one other, none of whom should have forwarded it to anyone and none of whom were in Shar-peis. However, she admitted that this was ‘no excuse’ for getting the facts wrong in this instance. ‘I really should have checked it more thoroughly,’ she told Tim.

Errors

Ms Harrison said that as soon as soon as she found out the mistake, she had contacted the four people who had copies of the flyer, pointing out the errors, and asked them to not forward it to anyone, so there should not be any further distribution.

She concluded: ‘I am very pleased to hear that Wrink's sire is still alive and going strong; also that he has been health-tested for hips/patella and thyroid (and I can see from the OFA database that his results were good). Do you also test him for urine/kidney function - I see this is recommended by Dr Jeff Vidt but am not sure if it is standard procedure/considered necessary by breeders.’

She agreed that she herself would be ‘furious too’ in the same situation and completely understood why the owners were upset. She finished by saying: ‘I really am so sorry for
getting the facts wrong in this instance and I very much hope you will feel able to accept this apology.’

Electronic

It is difficult to understand how anyone can say, ‘it was never meant for publication’ when the very same document was taken to a ‘small meeting’ – a full meeting of the APGAW at the House of Commons, and admits to sending it electronically. As a direct result of Ms Harrison placing this
information into the realm of electronic communication, all control of who read it was lost and the furore began.

To cast such aspersions on any individual dog without substantiated evidence seems wanton, but to select a dog purely because of its success in the show ring is despicable. As his owners told OUR DOGS: ‘Wrink is probably the most health tested Shar Pei in this country and come the day when the test for FSF/Amyloidosis is available, he will be first in line to ultimately prove what we already believe.’

Although Tim and Joy have been subjected to this onslaught of character assassination and their ethics questioned, they wholeheartedly thank the person who sent them the document and they remain resolute in working towards the betterment of the breed they cherish and Wrink will continue to do what he does best – enjoy life!

Speaking to OUR DOGS last week Tim Ball and Joy Bradley pointed out that the Shar Pei they had been fortunate to co-own and campaign in the UK show ring had been one of the breed's most
successful show dogs of all time, as well as being an absolute pleasure to live with.

‘Wrink’ was BIS at Bath Championship Show last year, has won five Groups and multiple Group placings, has 21 CCs to his credit and was Group 2 at last month's Manchester Dog Show Society Championship show. In addition, he was Top Utility 2010 and last year was ranked eighth overall across all breeds.

How so much unsubstantiated information was gathered is worrying given that it was placed before many senior members of the APGAW presumably including Professor Sheila Crispin.

OUR DOGS contacted Ms Harrison on Monday this week, and late on Tuesday afternoon; after further calls from OUR DOGS Ms Harrison declined to comment.

Very sad, someone makes a mistake remembering an unhealthy dog begining with a p
We all know what they ment
But rather than face up to the fact that the winning dog was so unhealthy

No I'm not making assumptions, I'm seeing someone who made a valid point about a dog being jumped on and ridiculed
When myself and rune commented again we were shot down
Noone needs to be an expert in the breed to see it isn't healthy, even the breed standard was changed after the show to try and help out the breed
My point is by slagging off and ridiculing someone for saying the dog was unhealthy it makes it look like people are condoning breeding dogs like that
But your latest post makes it seem that you don't
Interesting and sad link to see how far the breed has come in our hands, the original owners would not recognise their breed

. . .

Yet again I ask, if she is so concerned about the consumer and the dogs sold to them, why target the 2% of dogs bred and sold by the show fraternity, as opposed to the 98% bred and sold by BYBs and PFs! Hmmm, I wonder why.....

Gail said...

I have one of the 25 dogs dog that was sired by Beverley Costello's dog beauella radzinski. He has pain and itching, he can't walk very far without stopping for a scratch whilst whimpering in pain. I have only tonight mad ethe connection and fear he may have syringomyelia. I am appalled at what I am finding out about pedigree dogs and attitudes wihin these clubs.

I didn't choose harry for his beauty or that his father won shows, (stupidly it seems) I chose a pedigree dog because I thought it would be healthier and for the temprament of the breed. I chose him to be a family pet and Harry has to live a life of suffering just so people can have perfect looking dogs. Hooray Margaret Carter for speaking out.
28 September 2010 23:37

I don't know why you would have to ask again a question that has such an obvious answer. I'm sure it has been said over and over and over and over what it is, but here it is again.

BYBs and Pfs have been made much of in the media for a decade if not more. Most have an inkling they exist, they are a problem and that they are to be avoided. Media attention continues to cover this issue regularly. Those that want to pay attention will here about it.

Something was missing though and that was the message that if you are going to a 'club involved' breeder for a pet that you still have to be very watchful for finding a breeder that does all that they claim to.

Case in point - http://coldwetnose.blogspot.com/2008...lier-club.html



Gail was a bit off with the numbers. In fact if you go here - http://www.the-kennel-club.org.uk/se...t/Default.aspx - and type in his name you will find he sired 140 registered pups in 40 litters.

His sire - 392 pups in 125 litters and two other half siblings (same sire) have 399 pups between them.

So. Why was it important to show that caution is still required when approaching even those that produce just 2%?

Because they have a great impact. They have an impact not only on the breed but also on the owners that go to get a pup from those 2%.

I know Gail eventually figured that out but I believe she would have liked to have done so before the heart ache.

Ruby

And still many hundreds of pedigree Staffies die every day at the hands of BYBs, but it doesn't matter cos people already know about it??? Good God! And show people are being accused of having no concern of the dogs they breed?

Pot and kettle springs to mind.

If you think for one minute that JHs campaign was for the good of pedigree dogs, then I'm afraid you live in the same league as the BYBs who truly believe that blue Staffies are rare!

http://retrieverman.wordpress.com/20...stroyed-by-it/
Is a very interesting article on the same blog, very relvent to this thread