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04-11-2011, 10:13 AM

Why that price?

I am just simply curious to find out how people price their puppies and why bitches are often more then dogs???

Is it just to do with popularity or it something else???

I mean if their is no money to be made in dog breeding why sell for £700 when others are going for £500 if a dog is sold for less should alarm bells be rining that something isn't right???

How does one value a pup???

I guess them same could asked about stud dogs too what makes one of the same breed more valueble then the one before??

Are their breeders that charge too much??
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04-11-2011, 10:43 AM
I was always told by my grandma that bitches were more because you could breed from them, and thus they produce more money than males...... (males only get a stud fee).

That was her understanding anyways.

Popularity probably plays a part too.
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04-11-2011, 11:09 AM
its because bitches can have pups so sell a bitch for more as the bitch can make money of a litter of pups. although in reality a stud dog could make the same if the owner wasnt fussy about what dogs were put with what.

stud fees are usually the same price as what a puppy is bought for so it depends on the breed price in the first place as to why fees differ so much.

however you will find a reputable breeder wont sell his or her puppies for different prices whether its a dog or bitch, just people that are out to make more money.
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04-11-2011, 11:17 AM
AT the end of the day things are only worth what people are prepared to pay for them.

I do not personally know of any reputable breeders who sell bitches for more than dogs as most reputable breeders endorse their puppies with "progeny not eligible for registration" so there would be no point in charging a higher price for them.

They will also endorse their male pups similarly.

The cost of puppies do not NECESSARILY reflect the quality of them, but reputable breeders will have incurred costs such as

fuel
entry fees
grooming

in order to successfully campaign their stock in the show ring or competitive arena.

They will then have incurred costs for all the relevant health tests.

Correct rearing socialisation and habituation costs time (thus money) and will often offer a lifetime back up taking any back that bounce.

The price of a stud dog will often rise and fall with fashion; but again an unproven dog may be free or at a very low price.

One that is prepotent ie that stamps all progeny with his superb qualities can be very expensive indeed and some of these specimens are still siring litters many years after their death.
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04-11-2011, 02:19 PM
It's sometimes partly how much it cost to produce the litter and partly the quality and potential.

I could pick up a pup of my breed for £50 or £500 +.

The £500 pup I'd expect to be from a well thought out mating to a health tested dog and that the bitch was health tested before mating, possibly including annual eye tests. The bitch would be wormed and given extra feed, there might be the cost of the travel to the stud dog, perhaps overnight accommodation as well as the the stud dog fee. There may be costs incurred for an ovulation test, scanning, a vet check that she is well. There would be the costs of extra bedding, extra heating and lighting, puppy food and wormer, first vaccinations, eye and hearing tests plus puppy pack including a supply of food the puppy was weaned onto, Kc registration if a kc breed and possibly microchipping.

So what did go into producing the litter until the puppies are 8 weeks puts the price of a puppy up but what didn't go into producing the litter and the puppies until they are were 8 weeks old isn't necessarily reflected in the asking price.

I haven't seen people selling bitches at a higher price so I can't comment on that.
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04-11-2011, 04:27 PM
It's sometimes partly how much it cost to produce the litter and partly the quality and potential.

I could pick up a pup of my breed for £50 or £500 +.

The £500 pup I'd expect to be from a well thought out mating to a health tested dog and that the bitch was health tested before mating, possibly including annual eye tests. The bitch would be wormed and given extra feed, there might be the cost of the travel to the stud dog, perhaps overnight accommodation as well as the the stud dog fee. There may be costs incurred for an ovulation test, scanning, a vet check that she is well. There would be the costs of extra bedding, extra heating and lighting, puppy food and wormer, first vaccinations, eye and hearing tests plus puppy pack including a supply of food the puppy was weaned onto, Kc registration if a kc breed and possibly microchipping.

So what did go into producing the litter until the puppies are 8 weeks puts the price of a puppy up but what didn't go into producing the litter and the puppies until they are were 8 weeks old isn't necessarily reflected in the asking price.

I haven't seen people selling bitches at a higher price so I can't comment on that
when I was window shopping on pets 4 homes I found a number of bitches were often sold for a good £100 more then the dogs which is odd because males are now in much higher demand I guess because its so expensive keeping two dogs and rearing the puppies its better to have a stud dog hence males are now really popular.

The breeder i got Millie from said she sells all her pups the same price reguardless of gender and also mentioned that the males were in higher demand these days then bitches.
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04-11-2011, 04:33 PM
sites like pets for homes and things arent really the best places to look for buying puppies in my opinion anyway.
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05-11-2011, 03:37 PM
If people bred for their own use and for close friends then puppies wouldn't need to be sold in the first place, money shouldn't change hands when dogs are involved, all expenses are what the breeder should pay anyway, selling pups to make that money back is rediculous, if you want to breed a litter you pay for it and what you get out of it is the pup/pups you keep for yourself. But this will never happen. A few moons ago my grand dad worked spaniels and he never ever payed for one nor did he ever sell one. He bred a litter to keep a pup/pups for himself and a couple of close friends, when the litter was born, said chosen few were picked and the rest of the litter culled, simple as that. If everyone adhered to this way of breeding then there would be no breeding dogs for money, very few ending up in rescue and probably alot few dogs about as for many there would be no point owning a dog as no money would be made!
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05-11-2011, 03:40 PM
Originally Posted by bullylurchers View Post
If people bred for their own use and for close friends then puppies wouldn't need to be sold in the first place, money shouldn't change hands when dogs are involved, all expenses are what the breeder should pay anyway, selling pups to make that money back is rediculous, if you want to breed a litter you pay for it and what you get out of it is the pup/pups you keep for yourself. But this will never happen. A few moons ago my grand dad worked spaniels and he never ever payed for one nor did he ever sell one. He bred a litter to keep a pup/pups for himself and a couple of close friends, when the litter was born, said chosen few were picked and the rest of the litter culled, simple as that. If everyone adhered to this way of breeding then there would be no breeding dogs for money, very few ending up in rescue and probably alot few dogs about as for many there would be no point owning a dog as no money would be made!
so you think its more acceptable for everyone to breed a litter when they want a pup, then cull the ones their friends dont want disgusting
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05-11-2011, 06:51 PM
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I guess because its so expensive keeping two dogs and rearing the puppies its better to have a stud dog hence males are now really popular.
True it's expensive keeping two dogs but if I owned a dog and a breeding bitch one reason I would use a stud dog owned by someone else is that I could pick one that will likely pass on to the puppies something that I want which my bitch doesn't have and that my dog doesn't have either.
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