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13-11-2009, 10:37 AM

Brad Pattison - Street Safety debacle

Several weeks ago I inadvertently stumbled upon a group of dog owners that had signed up for “Street Safety“ classes led by a supposedly “certified” trainer. Too bad that the certification in question was awarded by Brad Pattison*. A man with no formal education on the subject and whose methods have been criticized by several organizations including the IPDTA.

"Because dogs don't listen when they are excited."

That's what the woman leading an unfortunate group of dog owners said when asked 'why don't you just teach the dog to sit?' as a solution to a dog that jumps up during greetings.

But isn't that why we train our dogs, so they LISTEN? Even when excited?

But let's go back to the beginning.

On our usual Saturday walk to our off-leash park, I see a group by the baseball field moving around. From the chaotic and haphazard nature of their movements it was clear that these people had no idea what they were doing. The dogs were being manhandled in every possible way.

As soon as I got close to hear the leader of the group, I recognized the unique combination of misinformation and alarmist stories. There was no doubt, this woman was one of those Pattison clones. I had unknowingly walked into the hilariously named 'Street Safety Seminar" being led by a Brad Pattison “graduate” C.E.T.** A woman in neon pink jacket that was 2 sizes too small. I would later learn her name.***

I was already familiar with the error filled rhetoric and violent style of Brad Pattison but seeing it in action was something else.

Back to the dogs that don't listen when they are excited.

So, since a Pattison trainer can't get an excited dog to SIT, what did she suggest?
Shoving the dog downwards and to "hit them like a drum" (direct quote) when they try to jump.

So, her advice: Don't train 'em. Hit 'em. Why? She told us that “Force is the only language dogs understand” which is direct quote from Pattison.

This was only one small sample of the idiocies perpetrated on the unsuspecting group of novice owners, most of her advice on other issues was equally foolhardy and counter productive.

She took a small dog to show the group how to handle a dog that won’t recall. She started pulling and he put on the brakes. At this moment I could no longer keep quiet when I shouted that by pulling the dog she was engaging his opposition reflex, she looked but pretended not to hear. However this little Yorkie had more spunk that she expected, a few moments later she changed to a dog she COULD manhandle. That’s how the demonstration ended.

One segment included how to walk with the dog and she suggested to “Karate chop” the leash when it got tight, and to alleviate any concerns she told the crowd, “it’s not the force, it’s the speed”. I guess she never took physics. Force is mass times acceleration which means that fast IS hard. She took the hapless Yorkie for another round (revenge?) and chopped so hard (I mean fast) that he was sent flying off to the side.

She followed this up with an “attention” exercise. For those not familiar with the Pattison method, this is where he runs with a leashed dog into a tree or lamppost, changing directions at the last possible moment. If the dog is lucky it is only jerked back when the obstacle comes between it and its handler, a few of the dogs were rammed right into the trees.

A curious thing is that she (the instructor) recounts the same apocryphal stories about the dangers of ‘treats’ making dogs aggressive that Pattison has told hundreds of times. Besides being blatant lies, she also tells them from a first person perspective as if she had witnessed them.

After this the crowd moved to another location where she took a poor Labrador type dog and started working the leash again. In less that a minute the dog was jerked back about a dozen times. Several times his from paws came off the ground. I was dumbstruck that any owner could stand by while their dog suffered such treatment. And even more so to see that all the owners were treating their dogs in the same manner.

Interestingly, she would ‘celebrate’ quite loudly each time she jerked the dog. This may have served a dual purpose; to prevent the dog from shutting down and to distract those who witness the abuse.

The class ended with a so-called “agility” course. This was another excuse to drag their dogs around over obstacles. This time she took another dog (chihuahua mix?) and hanged it as she tried to pull it over a large log. The rest of the owners also tried to pull their dogs over the logs, park tables and benches with various levels of success. Again, it seemed that they were all ignorant of the opposition reflex.

And that’s what takes place in a ‘Street Safety” class. I saw little safety for the dogs, or people, with one case of defensive aggression. Zero training and a lot of misinformation. A lot of tucked tails, backswept ears, gaze aversion, yawning, and licking; some dogs even downed after being jerked. All their attempts at appeasement were ignored. It’s a tragedy that TV has given Pattison and his trainer cronies such air of respectability and competence that no one in the group stood up for their dog. With good marketing and appealing memes they’ve convinced thousands of people that violence is the way to train.


* Brad Pattison is a Canadian trainer and host of a show called ‘At the end of my leash, aka In the Dog house’ His methods are similar to those of Cesar Millan but without any of his likeable qualities. He takes an even more extreme use of punishment and show an over-preoccupation with “dominance” He also seems overly obsessed that dogs are trying to subvert him to become (in his words) “alpha” A few years ago the IPDTA came out with a position statement against his methods.

** In Canada, the C.E.T. symbol us legally protected for use by certified members of the Canadian Council of Technician and Technologists. Pattison has no more right to give out "CET"s anymore than he has the right to bestow PhDs.

*** I’m not sure about the rules regarding names but she has a website advertising her shoddy services.
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13-11-2009, 11:51 AM
Very interesting thread.....
I have never heard of this man or his methods so will withhold judgment until i am better informed........
Your account of it through sounds worrying - how can people be convinced that this is a good idea with all the evidence that non violent methods work?
I have to admit i like CM, i do not ness agree with all this dominance theories, BUT he often puts a dog and owner in a happier place so this cannot be all bad! I do not thing his discipline methods are enough to hurt a dog.....but anyway sorry as this thread is not about him and i am not naive enough to assume that what the cameras show us is everything that goes on!!
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13-11-2009, 12:26 PM
Hi Corinthian some of us are familiar with the person you mention, he has been discussed previously on this forum..

http://www.dogsey.com/showthread.php...=Brad+Pattison
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13-11-2009, 03:36 PM
Hi, I wondered, do you know of the law in Canada regarding cruelty to animals and dogs in training?

~The reason I ask is because one Stephen King was doing a lot of hanging, jerking, etc in London with someone's dog. He was secretly filmed and several others came forward to testify what he'd done to their dogs, and he was actually convicted of (presumably) cruelty to animals under one of the relevant Acts.


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13-11-2009, 04:23 PM
Originally Posted by Wysiwyg View Post
Hi, I wondered, do you know of the law in Canada regarding cruelty to animals and dogs in training?

~The reason I ask is because one Stephen King was doing a lot of hanging, jerking, etc in London with someone's dog. He was secretly filmed and several others came forward to testify what he'd done to their dogs, and he was actually convicted of (presumably) cruelty to animals under one of the relevant Acts.


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? S. King the book writer??
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13-11-2009, 08:26 PM
Originally Posted by Minihaha View Post
Hi Corinthian some of us are familiar with the person you mention, he has been discussed previously on this forum..

http://www.dogsey.com/showthread.php...=Brad+Pattison
GRRRRR!!!!
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13-11-2009, 08:51 PM
Originally Posted by tabsmagic View Post
? S. King the book writer??
No it's 2 different people
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14-11-2009, 12:44 AM
Originally Posted by cava14una View Post
No it's 2 different people
Good!! That would have been too wrong for words!!
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14-11-2009, 06:54 AM
Originally Posted by tabsmagic View Post
Good!! That would have been too wrong for words!!
Yes! There's also a very nice dog trainer in the south UK who has the same name, and he was very upset in case anyone thought it was him! Which I can understand!

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14-11-2009, 09:09 PM
Originally Posted by Wysiwyg View Post
Hi, I wondered, do you know of the law in Canada regarding cruelty to animals and dogs in training?
I have read that complaints have been made against his to the local SPCA. And I've seen many people retell what they have witnessed or experienced personally. But as far as I know he's never been charged with anything.

I found this

"I met Brad Pattison last week, what I witnessed was brutal. He took the leash of a Mastiff who was standing nicely, minding his own business and wagging his tail. Brad snapped the leash harshly causing the dog to drop to the ground and cower on its belly. That wasn't enough for Brad, he snapped the leash a second time for good measure. Then, with the dog well cowed, he tied the leash around his waist and proceeded to run up and down a stairway as fast as he could, dragging this poor dog behind him. The dog yelped a couple times. A dog that was happy and relaxed a few moments ago was now tucking its tail and notably upset. When another dog jumped up on him he smacked it on top of the head with the palm of his hand. Now there's a great way to teach a dog that people are not to be trusted! I was sickened by what I saw and saddened that people are buying into this madness. Let me make it perfectly clear, this type of training is ABUSE! - plain and simple!”

Norma Jeanne - IPDTA Founder and Chair
http://www.[a social network].com/topic.php?ui...984&topic=4951

Why does it do that?

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