Actually the rescues both my dogs came from were quite well known rescues! One of which features on a dog rescue site! (Two rescues out of three that are in my area) people go to both places from all around the country as many are aware that there are no such policies in place - the one rescue one of my dogs come from is actually a rescue with a no destruction policy in place, yet they have no spay or neuter contracts, we were told we would have home check, when actually we were called the day after we saw her, rescue volunteer on the phone asking if we would take her as they were full we were told to take her and we would have a follow on check to see how our dog settled in - we've had her six years now and we're still waiting We've never had as much as a phonecall from them, even just to ask if she's okay (Of course she's okay, but how do they know that?)


I wasnt saying rescues assist puppy farmers, I'm just saying that some rescue's are actually worse than puppy farmers as more often than not (espcially with the two I have had dealings with) they re-home UNWANTED dogs to potential owners specificly looking just to take litters from those unwanted dogs.

Ok I do apologise if I appear to be pushing my opinions down peoples throats or have implied there is no such thing as a good breeder as this is not my belief I do think there is such a thing. Rescue is very dear to my heart and to see them compared to puppy farmers is very hurtful to me and thats why I became so involved in this thread.

I can only apologise to everyone I have upset by my attitude.

This is a very emotive subject, lets not fall out over views which appear to differ on the surface when in fact we are all on the same side. Its always difficult to put things across well in writing [ it is for me anyway ] and all too easy for things to be taken the wrong way in the heat of the moment.

As everyone probably knows, I`m pro-rescue, but had someone come across a couple of instances I know of, they could easily be anti-rescue.
An example :
I know a Beardie breeder. She breeds only from good lines, every health check under the sun being done not just on hers but on all their ancestors. She has bred one litter and plans another from one of the litter she bred. The first dam was spayed after her litter.
Both dogs do Showing [ both having been to Crufts ], agility, Obedience, and have great lives.
Of the litter born, she had a waiting list of twice as many homechecked and reference checked potential owners as there were pups.
The planned litter from the daughter also has a waiting list with the same concerns met as the other litter.
She keeps in regular contact with the owners and is prepared to take every one of them back at any time should that be necessary for any reason, and did not go ahead with the mating until she felt able to fulfil that on the pups` behalfs for the future.
She also places endorsements and would go to court if those were breeched.

By comparrison :
I heard of a `rescue` who refuse permission for their dogs to be neutered [ a breed rescue ] and retain breeding rights on them.....

We all agree, there are good and bad in breeders *and* in rescues.
We can all agree that given the examples above, the breeder is far more reputable and ethical than that breed rescue.
I know, and many here know, that if one breeder or one rescue isn`t doing things right, you try another and another until you find the right one. A first time potential owner, if the two in the examples were the ones they first came across, which way are they likely to go in making thier choice ?

The only way to get anything done to sort the wheat from the chaff, among breeders *and* rescues, and to push for stricter legislations to protect the dogs, is to unite on this.

Please :smt001

I`m just going to add something else I have noticed on the thread - Spot has been polite in putting across views but I think there may have been some misunderstandings because of Allbreeds more blunt approach, [ I do know how you feel Allbreeds, believe me ].
Perhaps a bit of misdirected ire going on here and there as a result ?

Lets all just chill guys, there is room for all opinions without hackles going up just because of what looks, [ to me ], like misconstrued comments.

I am not singling anyone out btw, its a general observation and just a polite request from one Dogsey member to all :smt001 ]

Here, here Patch. Totally agree. I think sometimes on here, people can read the same thing and interpret in different ways not always in the positive I appreciate and understand where SPOT is coming from. She at least is someone that puts her view forward, respects other views and leaves it at that. A healthy debate is always good, getting personal isn't.
(AND NO BEFORE ANYONE REPLIES AND HAS A GO, I'M NOT HAVING A GO AT ANYONE, JUST GENERALISING)

Okay Patch you're freaking me out now. We both posted similar posts at the same time
CAN YOU SEE ME RIGHT NOW!!!!

:smt041 Patch. I'm here

:smt044 :smt044 :smt044

I really do not want to get into an argument on a public forum, however, I would like to point out that The Mayhew Animal Home carryout every single one of the above checks, as do most of the reputable rescues, including AllBreeds Rescue.

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