and you think thats ok?

I agree totally.

the thought of using one on a 6mth old pup..

Adam, how would YOU teach a nice heel WITHOUT a pinch collar, and under what circumstances would YOU use one on YOUR own pet?

sadly, I think he does

I know exactly what you mean. We had a bloke turn up at class with a young GSD one night. The dog was showing signs of stress right from the start and he was correcting it really harshly. When it came to the sit stays instead of just stepping out right in front of the dog he insisted on trying to go right to the end of the room. Of course the dog kept breaking the stay and he'd grab it by the scruff of the neck, shake it and roar at it. Then he'd try again and the dog would be creeping forwards the moment he left it and he'd get even angrier which made the poor dog even more worried and likely to creep forwards. The instructor had words with him and he ended up storming out and never coming back.

Why dont you just put them on an 8 week old?? I use my training methods right from the start

Oh and you could use 3 to teach a down? and one on a extendy lead for a recal
and I bet 1 round a leg would teach a dog to give a paw??

Or lets just NOT!!

My concern was the damage being done - if the dog is not responding to the prongs - you would want to release the pressure - how would you do this if the dog was pulling?

Where do you draw the line? From reading this, it seems you might as well just put the boot in. This is not training, it's bullying the dog because it hasn't mastered walking along, stuck to you like glue. It seems anything goes (on puppies too; shameful!) and your posts have sickened me.

I don't think Adam uses prong collars very much.....he has 'other' instruments at his disposal for those 'simple' commands.

someone is advocating using a spiked instrument around a dogs neck and turning the opposite way as well as applying pressure....even on puppies....they also advocate regularly that its ok to give a dog electric shocks...yet they are still a member of dogsey?
(sorry Adam but you have admitted this and you just refuse to learn other ways etc so it has to be asked)

Any situation were you need on lead control.

Some examples of this, older gentleman and very large/strong gsd. Prong collar gave him control and confidence and stopped the pulling/lunging which allowed us to reward the dog for more positive behaviour.

3YR Boxer with reactivity issues on the lead, been owned since a pup and been to training classes ect. Totally manic on the lead when seeing another dog and would ignore treats ect even if you were 150 yrds away. Powerhouse of a dog and could easily pull his owner over if he took him unawares, even on a head collar (in fact he had huge rock like neck muscles from fighting the head collar), 1 hour with a prong and he was able to walk past other dogs without a fuss.

Adam

Adam