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09-02-2011, 11:06 AM
Originally Posted by smokeybear 
1 If you want to post a picture of me and/or use my name on this board you should a) ask my permission b) get your facts right c) and verify that both human and dog in the picture are connected.......
Really Adam, you undermine your own credibility by trying to undermine others.
But as Oscar Wilde once said, there is only one thing worse than being talked about and that is not being talked about and as I am a relentlessly fascinating person I would expect to be the centre of attention and discussion at all times!
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09-02-2011, 12:33 PM
Originally Posted by sarah1983
Tell me about it. It's absolutely disgusting.
I actually went to a traditional training class with Rupert for a couple of years. It was the only class that would have us and they let me use the clicker and work at Ruperts pace. The difference between Rupert, the other 2 positively trained dogs and the traditionally trained dogs was really clear to me. Rupe wasn't the most obedient but he was one of the happiest, one of the most confident in trying new things and his personality just shone through the whole time. The other positively trained dogs were far more obedient but had the same confidence. The traditionally trained ones were offering a lot of calming signals, hesitant at trying new things, and just didn't seem anywhere near as happy while working. And this was far from a harsh class as classes go.
I much prefer a happy dog to a obedient one - but the happier they are the better the want to please you too
One of my pet hates in so many classes is the stay exercise
To me it is the easiest thing to teach and for the dog 'hey I just lay in this same spot, you run around like a loon and I get treats - thats easy'
But so many people punish the dog for moving not realising that the more insecure the dog becomes the more he wants to creep close to you for comfort and the more angry the owner gets - so the more the poor dog tries to creep forwards
Heartbreaking to watch - and unfortunatly when I have said something I am told I am speeking rubbish that the dog knows what he should be doing and is just being stubborn
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09-02-2011, 12:45 PM
Originally Posted by Azz
Maybe I missed it, but Adam - would you care to answer the original question?
Are they ever suitable for pet/relatively inexperienced dog owners - when purchased online (i.e. without 1 to 1 training by a 'pro'?)
Yes they are suitable.
Adam
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09-02-2011, 12:47 PM
Originally Posted by Adam Palmer
OOPS sorry kinda got sidetracked lol.
Yes they are suitable.
Adam
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09-02-2011, 12:48 PM
Originally Posted by Tassle
Explain to me....if a dog is pulling (end of the lead) how do you apply a weaker correction? (so as not to hurt the dog of course)
Most people intro prongs by having the dog on a 6' lead and doing several sharp about turns (think Mic martin on dog borstal) This is a very effective way of teaching the dog to keep a loose lead and follow you.
You can also use prongs with the standard pop and release lead correction, this also works fine.
Adam
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09-02-2011, 12:48 PM
Originally Posted by Lionhound
OK, I know you are finding this hard to grasp
but a change of position is just a change of position.Your theory is flawed.
A dog is running and you call his name, he turns his head but carries on running. Has he changed his behaviour?
Same dog running, you call his name he turns and runs back to you. Has he changed his behaviour?
Adam
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09-02-2011, 03:08 PM
Originally Posted by Adam Palmer
OOPS sorry kinda got sidetracked lol.
Yes they are suitable.
Adam
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09-02-2011, 03:12 PM
Originally Posted by Adam Palmer
If the dog is pulling agaianst the prong the prong itself is not a strong enough correction, e;g the pressurte pulling on it creates. So you would apply a stronger correction.
Most people intro prongs by having the dog on a 6' lead and doing several sharp about turns (think Mic martin on dog borstal) This is a very effective way of teaching the dog to keep a loose lead and follow you.
You can also use prongs with the standard pop and release lead correction, this also works fine.
Adam
This single post has pretty much convinced me they should be added to the partial ban, btw.