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Lynn
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25-02-2007, 05:23 PM
A lovely video.
I met 2 Staffs yesterday and Ollie loved them and they were nice natured dogs,on the downside we also have one our estate that has attacked 3 dogs,I do not know the full story but do know it was a rescue and this person thought they could deal with it seems they can't and they let their Children take it out and have it off lead which in my opinion is a bit silly if you know it has a history of aggression.So I am always aware it could be around when out with Ollie but I wouldn't not let him play with well socialised good natured Staffs same as any other breed of dog.
IMO you have to becareful whatever the breed they all have the potential to bite.
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25-02-2007, 05:50 PM
Originally Posted by Minihaha View Post
Hayley this is a contradiction to your own argument, now you are saying ' if a dog turned on the handler it would not be bred from ' which is indicating it could turn and bite the handler.

I'll make one final post on this thread and leave it at that.....

No matter what the breed of dog andrenalin kicks in the dogs see it as fighting for their lives you grab hold of them wrong they WILL bite you regardless of their breed.

I was bitten sometime ago now trying to get a Bull Terrier away from one of my own dogs, sometimes you just don't think straight people act on instinct to try and limit any damage done to those they love, it takes one mistake which could end you up in the accident and emergency department of a hospital, I stand by what I say out of 16 years of owning the dogs I have I'm not an expert and I don't pretend to be, I just know what I know because of the dogs I own and the length of time that I have owned them. I am not going to mention what may take place in dog fight pits as thinking about that just absolutely discusts me, but they are dogs and think the same as any other and thats a statement I stand by.
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25-02-2007, 06:04 PM
I have been bitten"badly" only once, by one of my BCs. Kali had succeeded in getting his paw trapped in a draught-excluder at the front door. He was howling in pain, so I dived down to help him, whereupon he pegged the base of my thumb right to the bone. Not through aggression, but through pain. With the usual 20/20 hindsight, I should have thrown a sweatshirt over his head, but I didn't. Mea culpa.
MY fault, not his.

When worked up enough, any dog may turn on its owner.

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25-02-2007, 07:21 PM
I could go on like anyone else here but I won't 'cos it's all been said. Dog's were originally wild animals irrespective of their type or breed and so need to be treated with respect and caution. Another case of a bad deed and not breed.
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25-02-2007, 07:22 PM
Originally Posted by Niknak View Post
I could go on like anyone else here but I won't 'cos it's all been said. Dog's were originally wild animals irrespective of their type or breed and so need to be treated with respect and caution. Another case of a bad deed and not breed.
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I agree... perhaps a more suitable title would have been ...

warning to "dog" owners
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25-02-2007, 08:04 PM
sorry..not wanting to start it up again...but he was saying it was a breed thing because of the damage inflicted and instinct kicking in....
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25-02-2007, 09:28 PM
Originally Posted by Ramble View Post
sorry..not wanting to start it up again...but he was saying it was a breed thing because of the damage inflicted and instinct kicking in....



Originally Posted by Ramble View Post
I agree SBT, the op was badly worded,BUT i don't think that was to give bull breeds any more negative press to be honest, the op was, I believe, trying to offer a word of advice. Please bear in mind the op doesn't live in Britiain and so probably isn't aware of everything that is going on here.


I think your missing the point.
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25-02-2007, 09:34 PM
Originally Posted by SBT View Post
I think your missing the point.
I agree entirely with SBT to put it another way a Robin Reliant can kill someone just as easily as a Lamborghini if it's in the wrong hands (I think that makes sense).
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26-02-2007, 10:48 AM
Originally Posted by SBT View Post
I think your missing the point.
I'm sorry I don't think I am missing the point.
At no point has anyone said that other dogs can't inflict damage, everyone is agreed on that.
At no point has anyone said that ANYdog in the wrong hands can be a dangerous dog. We are (I think) all agreed that training, socialisation and responsible ownership are the most important things.(On Dogsey I take that as read).
BUT
the owner in question was responsible and experienced.
The point, being made by the op in a language that isn't his first, therefore we should forgive him if he hasn't perhaps phrased things well, was that the instinct and physical make up of some breeds of dog are such that they can inflict more damage than others in a short space of time and that they, due to the nature of their initial (however long ago) purpose and breeding, can be more inclined to fight with other dogs. It was a warning to owners of such breeds, always to be aware of that, a fair enough point to make...just like it's fair enough that I don't let my BC off lead around livestock (and din't let him offlead around groups of children when he was smaller as he seemed to think they were sheep too... ) Part of responsible ownership is being aware at all times about the instincts we have in our particular chosen breed of dog....none of this is a criticism of any breed, far from it. It is one posssible side of a couple of breeds of dog and it is fair that owners of the dogs should at least be aware of it isn't it?????

I really don't see how I've missed the point..sorry.
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26-02-2007, 10:50 AM
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I agree entirely with SBT to put it another way a Robin Reliant can kill someone just as easily as a Lamborghini if it's in the wrong hands (I think that makes sense).
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Yes...I totally agree...
BUT a Lamborghini, is more likely to cause significant damage, whilst doing the smae speed as a Robin Reliant due to it's physical make up.
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