Oh dear, I must tell my lad that he is "not worth his salt" and let all my other friends with entire males know that you have made this sweeping generalisation about all male dogs who, unlike yours, are "continent" and disciplined enough not to be unresponsive to commands.

Perhaps that is why OUR Dogs have mulitple titles!

No, absolutely hilarious!

One person uses a "collar" and still doesnt have control over their dog

One person "trains" their dog yet has absolute control over said dog.

1st person thinks 2nd persons dog is a robot! (would that be because 1st person is jealous!?)

just caught up on this and oh dear!!

i do not see myself as cruel if i wont let asbo pee up something when in the ring, hes not there to pee hes there to do a job. he goes the toilet before he goes in so i know he doesnt need it.

that is not cruel, but like you have said using an electric collar isnt cruel, so we shall agree to disagree on what is cruel to a dog.

Cripes, I only asked a general question, maybe I should have re-worded it on whether or not it is morally acceptable to show a bitch in season, I wont do it and yes I have seen males that act up when at a show if there is an in heat girl in the vicinity, obviously not everyone in the show ring has absolute control over their males. Im sorry this thread has degenerated, so maybe the answer is some do it and some dont

This is fascinating, in 40 years of having entire males actually used at stud they have never behaved in this manner but my current neutered rescue does. Perhaps its the way they are brought up as he was at least 10 when I had him.

IMO - it's not on to show bitches in season in mixed classes at Open shows - although I know some do my boy's heads being glued to the floor rather than fixed on me is testament to that but in season bitches in the ring do cause headaches for the boys - having said that - I've been on the receiving end of showing a not in season bitch who lives with in season bitches - and they have a very similar effect (often worse) on the boys.

I think CH shows are a slightly different kettle of fish as dogs and bitches are shown separately - I've done it once at a show where I was able to keep my girl out of the show buildings and take her straight in and back out of the ring - but it's not something I do on a regular basis.

The KC rules apply to the mating of bitches within the confines of the show - I am unaware of any rule governing withdrawing when they are in season.

It also depends where in her season the bitch is - the only time my boys are bothered (and then they are a pain) is when the bitch is ready for mating - outside that window, apart from a quick sniff which they do anyway - they don't want to know - these are not experienced studs - but you will probably find that experienced studs particularly would be the same.

My boys are also a good indicator of how 'nice' they smell - there's no way I would endure sometimes up to 10 hours of whinging there and back - so would be enough to stop me taking said bitch.

Personally i feel if a first season that couldnt be predicted ie: was 6-12Months old when it happened, show enteries should be cancelled whilst dogs in season but the organisation running the show should offer the dogs owners a free entry into junior the following year or another puppy class later that year in another open/champ show run by them that way owners wouldnt lose there entry fees.

You have never run a show have you...................

I think you need to rethink that one.


lest take one show , and you have (lets be conservative) 1500 entries, two thirds of that will be bitches, there is always more bitches than dogs......

At any given time of lets say 8/900 of those bitches 1/2 , 1/4 or so will either be in, coming in, or coming out of a season..

And your really suggesting that the shows should be cancelled