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09-03-2012, 11:41 PM
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The thing is if class entries are down because those people who think it's acceptable to breed unhealthy dogs realise they won't be placed and don't bother to show then surely that's a good thing?

I'm looking forward to the next few years of dog showing, I think these vet checks will sort the wheat from the chaff and make people realise that things have to change. It's going to be a rough ride, there will be a lot of people who are stuck in their ways trying to insist that nothing needs to change, but hopefully the KC will stick to their guns and things will start to change gradually.

I especially loved the ESS BOB - a stunning dog from a kennel who are very progressive in bringing in new bloodlines and subsequently lowering COI's. And did you hear the commentary? "Moderate feathering - so doesn't need to be exaggerated in anyway". Hopefully this will sound the death knell for all those ESS breeders who think moderate feathering means barely being able to see the light between the dogs body and floor!
I agree, hopefully the kennels who have been sidleined up till now, but continued to breed healty unexadurated dogs and not followed the fashion will get their chance to shine
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09-03-2012, 11:44 PM
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I agree, hopefully the kennels who have been sidleined up till now, but continued to breed healty unexadurated dogs and not followed the fashion will get their chance to shine
If they can afford it!
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09-03-2012, 11:50 PM
I dont know if it has been asked but will the judges that put the 3 dogs through be demoted as show judges???
Are the KcSaying to them you were wrong?
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10-03-2012, 12:42 AM
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Azz---this is the wrong video---nothing to do with what I posted!
That was the video your link went to :/
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10-03-2012, 12:48 AM
Originally Posted by Ripsnorterthe2nd View Post
If they can afford it!
Well, that's another issue, isn't it?
"20 CCs" and the like doesn't impress me very much, when 3 are enough under 3 different judges to get a CH. And if I was very much into the breed, I'd like to know if those 3 were awarded by breed specialists.

To me, 20 CCs just means the dog has been to at least 20 shows and won, when 3 well chosen ones might have been enough. We don't have Multi CHs or GR CHs here, so more than say, 6CCs looks like notches on the bedpost.

It would be great to be able to afford to go to 20 shows with CCs on offer, not everyone can, so boasts of that many won don't really impress me, the health and lineage counts for more.
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10-03-2012, 07:01 AM
Originally Posted by Ripsnorterthe2nd View Post

I especially loved the ESS BOB - a stunning dog from a kennel who are very progressive in bringing in new bloodlines and subsequently lowering COI's. And did you hear the commentary? "Moderate feathering - so doesn't need to be exaggerated in anyway". Hopefully this will sound the death knell for all those ESS breeders who think moderate feathering means barely being able to see the light between the dogs body and floor!
you're not going to believe this, but so did we, and a real difference to the dogs that have made it to group as BOB in previous years, not so big and heavy looking and nowhere near as feathered
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10-03-2012, 09:28 AM
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you're not going to believe this, but so did we, and a real difference to the dogs that have made it to group as BOB in previous years, not so big and heavy looking and nowhere near as feathered
I thought the dog was stunning and I was surprised by the feathering... I kept rambling on about it to OH, and as he isn't a 'doggy person' so had no idea what I was going on about
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10-03-2012, 10:26 AM
I really loved the ESS and was surprised at how much as I don't usually like the show lines. If this is the way forward, massive kudos to the breed!

I did have a chuckle though, about what she was saying about the american cocker still being able to go through thick cover!

I do think that things are heading in the right direction at long last.

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10-03-2012, 10:28 AM
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That was the video your link went to :/
I'l find it again later---it was an interview with Caroline whatsit from the KC explaining the parameters of the vet testing---if you'd looked at it you'd have realised---the one you posted was nothing to do with it.

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10-03-2012, 12:05 PM
Originally Posted by Helen View Post
I really loved the ESS and was surprised at how much as I don't usually like the show lines. If this is the way forward, massive kudos to the breed!

I did have a chuckle though, about what she was saying about the american cocker still being able to go through thick cover!

I do think that things are heading in the right direction at long last.

Helen
Not without a haircut that was the only group I have seen so far and I admit things looked better
Some of the dogs were fat tho. Especiallly the lab. No wonder we see so many fat labs when the public think that's what they should look like
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