Originally Posted by smokeybear
I KNOW what starvation is, and it aint going without food for a few days!
You need captials to enphasie your point, you ar not alone on KNOWING what starvation is ,
No I do not
NEED capitals, using them is a means of emphasis, the same as using italics, underlining or emboldening text (or all three) LOL
It is something that people use in text
Dogs in the wild, actually feast and fast. They gorge and then they do not eat for days.
We are not talking about dogs in the wild why do people have to always use that point,
Er because we LIKE to use that point because it demonstrates that this is their NATURAL behaviour, the same way as eating raw food is NATURAL to them and NORMAL not anything out of the ordinary!
So if I have a dog that has got the squits do I FAST it or do I STARVE it?The two are not the same.
Persoanaly I do neither, I allo wmy dog to fast itsself, then I introduce bland food when he is willing to take it.
Sometimes we have to do what we think is best for the dog and not keep offering food until we see it is willing to take it. Some dogs do not know when they should not eat, like children, so as responsible carers we need to know when it is wise not to eat.
A bit like STARVING a dog before an operation!¬
As I said, if you are happy not to have a reliable recall and be restricted by that fact, that is up to you.
Who said I dont have a reliable recall
When I use the word "you" it does not necessarily mean I am addressing YOU, it is just a figure of speech, used by many.
But if you WANT a reliable recall then there is no reason you cannot have one with the majority of dogs and the majority of breeds.
True, but in some cases the dogs dont read the books and reliable is never going to be in their vocabulary
As this statement actually mirrors mine it is superfluous. In fact I have found that dogs do not read books in ALL cases!
I certainly would NOT equate FASTING or making a dog HUNGRY with E collars.
I would certainly equate withholding food for 4 days with the same cruelty as one would use using e.collars.
Yes, I know, it is interesting, how some people think it cruel to deny their dogs anything, but again it is not CRUEL to withhold food, only CRUEL to starve.
Some people think it is CRUEL to leave a dog alone all day. OR to not let it go upstairs etc etc. We all have our own particular parameters don't we?
In fact to say such a thing is total nonsense as of course one is NEGATIVE punishment, the other is POSITIVE punishment.
In your opinion I might add, thankfully its not the only one .
That is what forums are for, sharing opinions, right, wrong, informed or not.
I call withholding food for such a time as a negative, not a positive.
Er yes, that is what I said, a negative punishment not a positive one, I am glad you agree.
STARVATION of course IS a positive punishment.
But nobody ever STARVED going without food for few days!
True, but why would you want to inflict such a punishment on your dog!
But I do not see witholding food a terrible punishment, witholding WATER would be. You do.
You obviously have no problem with such methods, fine, but dotn expect others to find it palatable.
Difficult to find anything palatable when you are not eating anything isn't it?!
I do not EXPECT others to do anything, the same way as your views may not be palatable to many others.
We are all different, thank goodness eh?