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Location: Scottish Borders
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Right Pidge, I'll try and catch up with everything outstanding.
Firstly, yes sorry, I did miss your post apologising for the comments about show dogs being put through torture (but apologising for something doesn't mean you didn't say it in the first place)...
Originally Posted by
Pidge
But they are one and the same thing, just called something different. I was being old skool by calling it Iams. My point is still correct and you (quite nastily) said otherwise.
I haven't once criticised you in this thread or accused show folk of animal cruelty yet you have replied to all my posts with a very nasty tone, refused to accept that I was right on this point and then got personal by trying to say I have no credibility because Woody is my first ever dog.
In addition, you threatened to leave the forum and to put me on ignore. Neither of which you have followed through. Who's attention seeking here.
You next said that you had proved all your other facts, the majority of which were put in this post:
Originally Posted by
Pidge
Maybe I didn't make the 'not' clear enough, you menace!
Hmm, why am I not a fan. Well, where to begin -
*Allowing Iams sponsorship and products to be sold.
*Allowing people convicted of animal cruelty to judge.
*Allowing people convicted of animal cruelty to win categories.
*Breeding issues - nowhere near enough action has been taken on this issue so I feel that the KC and therefore Crufts obviously do not support the need as they claim to.
In addition, I'm just not a fan of showing. I've been twice now with work and the last time was the final straw. Seeing active, working breeds sitting in a hot (it's always boiling in there) warehouse/building, on a little wooden shelves for up to 12 hours with no fresh air or place to pee other than a pile of saw dust where every other dog goes turned my stomach. I can't see why anyone would want to subject their beloved pet to that kind of torment.
THe Iams thing - fair enough, its consistent with your principles.
The cruelty cases for judges and exhibitors, what evidence do you have on this? Do you say they were allowed to participate with the KC having full knowledge of the convictions? Or if not, is it that a small number of people who have won and/or have judged have subsequently been convicted?
I admit, its not good news to hear (I did a google and found a handful of cases over the past 10 years), but I don't see how Crufts/the KC are to blame?
The breeding issues. How do you know exactly what is and isn't being done, are you purely following what Jemima H says? Do you know what is/isn't wrong with all breds and what is being done? Jemima H didn't cover a fraction of what is being done in her programme.
As for the other bits about hot warehouses, 12 hours tied to the bench, the dogs being stressed etc. the show goers have given enough proof that this is not the case.
On to the links you posted:
Iams - again, I've got nothing really to say on that; its your personal principles, which is fair enough.
Jemima's blog.
Well I'm sorry but i have no respect for this woman. She's in a positin where she could've done so much good but I think she has failed big time. Yes, some changes have been made (a speed up of what whas happening anyway) but I truly believe that the backlash of the public's perception of ALL pedigree dogs and breeders has given the puppy farmers cross-breed factories a massive boost.
And she also admits that the evidence she has shows that many purebreeds are more healthy than crossbreeds (based on longevity of life) its just that overall, the average for crossbreeds is slightly higher than the average for purebreeds.
yes sensationalism makes people sit up, but at what cost? You think it is sometimes right - was Tony Blair righ to sensationalise WMD to support what he wanted to do in Iraq?
For a documentary to be taken seriously it should always give both sides a fair go and this is something she didn't do (and openly admits it).
I think I've covered all your points, but if I've missed anything, let me know.