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24-01-2011, 07:25 PM
Originally Posted by Krusewalker 
Who is this arthur kent bloke michael mentioned?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JpStQGdPmw
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24-01-2011, 07:28 PM
Originally Posted by MichaelM
Caution. This is a link to a youtube clip of Arthur Kent kicking and abusing his dog.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JpStQGdPmw
I missed it - how did this Arthur Kent come into this?
Was this the guy that was 'advertised' on radio to be found?
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24-01-2011, 07:44 PM
Just to make it clear..
I am in absolutely no doubt that giving a dog electric shocks to make it do what I want is a cruel and un-necessary act.
The excuses for torturers and abusers always follow the line of.. it`s for the greater good
and you have to be cruel to be kind.
Both these statements are lies. IMO.
And no, I can`t give you footnotes, references, multiple sources and learned arguments for that. I just somehow know that hurting animals for my own ends is wrong.
Don`t you?
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24-01-2011, 07:50 PM
Originally Posted by Dobermann
Thats horrible to watch.
I missed it - how did this Arthur Kent come into this?
Was this the guy that was 'advertised' on radio to be found?
michael bought this chap up when he asked me some questions.
i dont know why though.
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24-01-2011, 07:53 PM
Originally Posted by ClaireandDaisy
He`s been tried and sentenced.
Just to make it clear..
I am in absolutely no doubt that giving a dog electric shocks to make it do what I want is a cruel and un-necessary act.
Me too
The excuses for torturers and abusers always follow the line of.. it`s for the greater good
and you have to be cruel to be kind.
Both these statements are lies. IMO.
i agree
And no, I can`t give you footnotes, references, multiple sources and learned arguments for that.
why would you need to?
you arent offering any specific evidence, just your opinion.
I just somehow know that hurting animals for my own ends is wrong.
Don`t you?
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24-01-2011, 08:15 PM
Originally Posted by Ben Mcfuzzylugs
but
can i ask adam and michael
do you believe that they should be so simply and freely available to members of the public?
do you think there should be any restrictions/guidelines for their sale and use?
do you believe in the wrong hands they could have any negative impacts on dogs?
Scroll down to the quote box.
See quote box and and the paragraph that follows.
My opinion is given on how I felt seeing how easy it was to come by spray collars - how do you think that translates to the availability of e-collars ?
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24-01-2011, 08:30 PM
Originally Posted by MichaelM
Click here.
Scroll down to the quote box.
See quote box and and the paragraph that follows.
My opinion is given on how I felt seeing how easy it was to come by spray collars - how do you think that translates to the availability of e-collars ?
Of course you can't use a spray collar to teach basics----but then why would you need to use a shock collar for that?
rune
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24-01-2011, 09:19 PM
There is a huge amount of info out there about using collars.
The internet has in many ways opened the door to there use as youtube and US websites provide info for free about excat training methods and approaches.
In the uk there are vids available st the same places that collars are sold at.
For example , Robin macfarlenes latest video training set went on sale at end of Oct & just took off, 34 copies sold so far this month and Jans a bad month after xmas spending spree.
Adam