Good plan with the cheese!!! He has a really loud squeaky ball he loves too so will take that. Wasn't this nervous taking kids out but then I knew I could run faster than them!!! lol

Mine are off lead from day 1 as long as its a safe place., but as I have adults with good recalls, they follow them...

jake has been off from day one as well. he was so small that his wee legs couldnt carry him faster than what mine could carry me, so if he went off after something or to see a dog and wouldnt come back, i could easily catch him so he came to no harm. as he got bigger, and faster, his recall had improved but wasnt great (and still isnt, in fact its got worse since he has hit the teenage stage) so i did, and still do, what briard lover said...

it works like a charm

Cheese is a great invention, always have it in my pockets..

yey! cute little boxer zoomies!!!! take some pictures for me please!

I walk a dog aggresive dog which I muzzle and keep leashed (harness and trailing line). I do this to protect other dogs whose owners' have insufficient control or lack awareness. When I encounter such owners their dogs are safe but my dog will have practiced an undesirable behaviour and his rehabilitation inhibited.

Consideration cuts both ways. Don't allow your dog to approach on-lead dogs without agreement. Train a solid recall or keep your dog on-lead.

Right, firstly I never said my dog was aggressive and dangerous! He is dominant and doesn't like other like-minded dogs approaching him. We have had him for 3 years and he has never ever gone for another dog BUT that isn't to say that he might!

I made the reference about attacking and killing a pup, not about my dog, but because of another topic on here where a dog killed a pup and may now be pts, I was questioning which dog was really to blame??

I have 100% recall with him which is just as well! Because, when we took him on, we were told he was dog aggressive it has made me very nervous but as I said he has never gone for another dog since we have had him. He has been loose around lots and lots of dogs and if anything prefers to be with us rather than other dogs.

I too have to be careful where we walk as there is a real idiot in our street who walks both his aggressive dogs off lead (they are also people aggressive!!)

My point is people who allow their puppies to approach strange dogs shouldn't blame the strange dog if it attacks their puppy.

My first dog, when I was 11, used to stick to me like glue and I walked him off lead on a private estate from the minute I got him. In the right place I have no objection to off lead walking and I agree puppies have to go free at some point and sooner than later is much better. It is easier if you have an older dog for a pup to learn from.

Long lines are the perfect training solution as they have the freedom and yet you can control then if necessary.

Again my main point was that people seem to blame the dogs and not the uncontrolled puppy when these awful accidents happen. I didn't mean to infer that puppies should never be allowed off lead, just that there is a time and a place.

Please read my posts carefully before jumping on me!

Relax! I didn't jump on you! The 'you' in my post was a hypothetical one - I didn't suggest YOUR DOG would kill another. And you did infer that puppies should not be let off lead, btw!

|I understand where you're coming from, but how are puppies supposed to learn doggie manners if not from another dog?? i don't speak dog, so i can't teach them. Yes Meg got told off a couple of times when she was a pup for being in older dogs faces, but she now has impecable doggy manners. I would expect an aggressive dog to be muzzled or walked away from areas where its likely to come in to direct contact. (think Bev has a secure field for Shady)

I think you question was, "why do people allow young puppies off lead"

And the answers have been directed towards that.

Personally the sooner you allow a puppy of lead the better (within a window) you have, to teach recall.

Very young puppies are insecure this is the ideal time to teach recall, as they grow and break the apron strings, this is the time recall may become a problem, so if you have left off lead recall till them, you are making life so much harder for yourself.

BTW.. I do agree with the highlighted, you have to be careful what dogs are around when you are training, always best to do it with dogs you know in a safe place.

Yes , the sooner you start the better, believe me, a teenage Boxer that has no recall is not going to be fun.

Attach a long training lead to his collar (to give you moral support) dont let him get any further away then the length of the lead.... this way you can put your foot on it.

But you have a window now, use it , he is still very much in the apron strings attached mode, dont wait til he breaks them