An awful lot go to dog sport clubs and train, and suprise suprise they also use pinch collars in training

Why do you add this to every post?

If it means, as I think it might, "in my opinion", it is superfluous as you are hardly going to post something which is not.

I think knowing westie like I do its her way of saying,, just that,,"in my opinion" but also it means {sorry if im wrong but Im thinking I wont be} others have the right to there opinion too! eg there may be no right or wrong, just a diff of opinion

I can add that to my posts if I want to. I don't add it to every post.

I post that it's "imo" often on very serious subjects.

I could be posting something to inform someone of anothers opinion, and not just my own, or perhaps quoting something or stating what someone else said. Also so that people know that it's just my opinion, and not neccessarily a "correct" answer to a certain question, just what I think to be right, other people could and will think differently and have their own opinions, which they are entitled to of course, it's just that I may or may not agree.

Hope this clarifies why I add "imo" to some of my posts.

Thanks Shona, just spotted this. You are right, imo.

Oh, Patch. I didn't know about this. Thanks, sort of, for posting the link and informing me of this. How very sad.

Very Sad
Need to cut off peoples legs, as a dog being KICKED to death here in the uk, is quite common place

A little note on prongs and choke collars

http://www.cobankopegi.com/prong.html

That site is old news

To refer to a portion of it from the link, [ my comments in bold ] :

A short list of people/dog teams that have benefited from the use of prong collars.

* Small people with large dogs.

A body harness would suffice, or simple flat collar, in either case what`s key is training

* Any person with a dog that seems calm but suddenly bursts into action in some circumstances.

A body harness and training would suffice, enabling complete control but without causing pain or stress to the dog if the handler who knows their dog might do that is still not ready for it when it happens


* People with dogs that are pullers. (dogs choke/gag on a slip collar or ignore a buckle collar)

A body harness and training would not only suffice but the correct harness correctly fitted is ideal


* Disabled people with limited strength or range-of-motion to properly 'snap' correct a dog wearing a slip collar. A light touch is all that is needed.

A body harness would suffice, [ I am partially disabled and have ex pullers, all thanks to harnesses and training ]

Sometimes the collars are put into a cloth tube (like a scrunchy).

Whoop de doo


* Persons with dogs with damaged trachea or collapsing tracheas.

No dog with either condition should ever be walked by collar - any collar. No good vet would ever sanction collar-to lead of any sort for affected dogs, they recommend harness.


* Persons 'fine-tuning' a dog's responses to commands.

If a dog has already learned to a standard where only fine tuning is required and without needing to use a prong to get that far, [ like most of the high level training population seem to manage for ], they certainly should`nt `need` to stoop to using one by then.

* Bouncy puppies that are difficult to control in any other collars.

That`s probably 99% of all puppies then And yet most people manage perfectly well with a flat collar, or better than that for a bouncy pup, a body harness.


* Walking more than one of these dogs at the same time -- you don't want ride your belly like a skate board while 200 or 300 some pounds of Anatolian in a team or troika take off with you.

Then they should be walked - and trained - individually until easy to walk together - or use harnesses of course for times when solo walks are not possible until a good level of training is achieved, [ preferably the training done in harness anyway ].



* Walking a large protective dog at night in an area where the normally calm dog is walking high on his toes, ready to react before you are. He is on 'predator alert'.

Yet again, a body harness enables complete control - and training. Would also advise to walk the dog somewhere else or before dark until good level of training achieved.


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