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Originally Posted by
Pita
Think you do not understand what I am saying at all. I am saying that because a breed is not on the UK kennel clubs list of those who can show in the UK they are on this forum listed as un-recognised breeds. My contention is that if they are a recognised breed how can they be classified as un-recognised.
Dogsey is a UK based forum which, while welcoming members from anywhere in the world is still at the moment a mostly UK membership, and UK is the home of the foremost Breed show in the World under which breeds recognised by the UK KC can be entered, so it makes sense to us it as the general reference point
Did not know the JRT had a standard any more than the Patterdale
JRTs do have a breed standard, and are recognised in the US and Ireland so the breed standard is also applied in UK by the UK JRT club for their Show`s and breeding standards.
or did you mean the Parson Jack Russell Terrier which does have a KC standard and can be shown at KC licensed shows?
No I did`nt mean PRTs - and there was me thinking what I put in an earlier post might give an inkling that I know the difference between the two including recognition status and Standards
All 3 sizes of P. Pods. are recognised by the FCI as is the A. Kelpie as far as I know and the Berger Blanc Suisse is provisionally accepted by the FCI.
We are not governed by the FCI
Your comments about Alsatian and German Shepherd Dog confuse me as I understand them to be the same breed, where and in which countries are they separated? Certainly not by the U K Kennel Club.
They are the same breed - some call them Alsatians and some call them GSDs as they have been officially known by both breed names, hence I used the name I call them by and with the other in brackets to cover both usages, [ as does the KC except they have the bracketed name the other way around
]
However all this is by the way, a breed has to be recognised as a breed to be a breed so there can't be un-recognised breeds only those ‘of a type’ who are wishing to be recognised as a breed but have not as yet been so and are therefore not a breed.
No, that`s not what it comes down to at all, I think you misunderstand. To be a breed, the dogs have to have been bred type to type for so many generations, must have a Breed Standard, etc etc. A dog can be a purebred, [ therefore of a breed ], without yet being formally recognised through meeting the criteria set out by a KC or the FCI.
JRTs are recognised in the US and in Ireland because they met the criteria to be recognised - I have said why I believe the UK KC won`t recognise them, [ which I think is wrong of them personally ].
Border Collies are recognised here but not in Canada.
Recognition in the way most consider it
is whether or not they are
formally KC recognised and therefore eligible for Showing and going on the Breed register, that`s not the same as them not being a breed at all
I don't think I can find any way to explain myself further so if you still do not see what I am saying I give up
I do see what you are saying, but I don`t understand why you feel its an issue but I do think it could be that you misunderstand the process of when a breed becomes recognised so hopefully my explanation has cleared it up for you, [ though I doubt it will have as I`m not good at explaining things
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Perhaps the best explanation is how I word the criteria for the virtual class for Unrecognised breeds - that they have to be
established purebreds, in other words `bred to type` over many generations.