You got it

Except when we post we contribute facts, links etc to threads, whereas you just post slanderous comments and 'have a go' !!

Yep

Here, here

so why post and get in the middle if you dont like it go back to dustin your flag

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Corr blimey - Malady I reckon you should offer your services to the police. Cos as far I I know (and as far as many folks on here have been telling you), it's not just purebred pitbulls they're after. The vast majority of dogs that are being IDed as "of pitbull type" are crossbreed dogs from what I've read. Some have been American Bulldogs. I've read that a pedigree labrador fits the DEFRA guidelines by up to 90% and a dog doesn't have to fit them 100% to be seized as "of type".

Still all covered by law. Legally if any dog fits the guidelines they *are* "of pitbull type". That's even with KC papers of parents proving they're not bred from purebred PBs.

They wouldn't give a monkeys about parentage, they've proved that already - some of the dogs seized this time round had papers saying they were pedigree staffies if I remember rightly? If you had a Boxer x Lab and you had the papers for each parent, it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference, that offspring (should it fit the measurements) *is* "of pitbull type". It's perfectly legal, as nuts as it is. It's a disgrace.

actually callum i think pure pits and crosses should be destroyed - (only the crosses if they can be proved they have pit in them)

if you have in your opnions - a boxer/lab that looks like a pit - it should be dna tested like the rest of them - io pure pits have a look, if it can be proved by an expert they can be destroyed

i think you should get over the fact i said if and my view if a small part of others opinions.....!!!!!!!!!

The DDA states 'of type', the parentage of that dog is irrelevant, hence it is extremely irresponsible to cross any breeds that may result in 'looking' like a PB because it means there is every chance that dog may be seized regardless.
Becky

Given the ID methods are so relaxed, how can one ensure that though? Pedigree staffs have been seized. Are we saying they shouldn't have been bred, when it's the cack-handedness of a bad law that's never worked that's at fault?

You didnt read the post, I said dog fighting has been banned for donkeys years!

You were rude and condecending to the Btitish people. I suggest you re-read what you wrote, you implied we had learned nothing, you implicated "our precious statistics" and said that unlike us, you have had a lot of experience with the breed, well Im sorry but thats the case here too! including previous owners of the breed on this forum as well as many rescues aswell. As I said, Im suprised you bother with us at all.
Dawn.

ARRgg i wasnt going to get back into this. However....

First of all its abit unclear from the OP 's initial question as to whether we are talking about trying to get rid of Pits globally or just dealing with the supposed thosands that we still have in the UK.

If we are talking globally i think that its unbelievably pointless as have said many times, its the minority NOT the majority that are responsible for deaths and those instances that have occurred are down to the owners 99% of the time.

If we are talking about dealing with the UK pits then i still have problems. First of all like many have said because of the wide spectrum of "type" covered by the DDA, thousands of family dogs innocent pets etc would fall under the ban and would be seized for having done nothing at all.

I think that the people who own the culprit dogs ( ones that are left to roam) and fighting gangs should be severely punished, their dogs neutured and rehomed if possible otherwise PTS if proven to be unreliable.

It does anger me that many people on this thread who are supporting pitbulls to be globally wiped, dont own a bull breed and in a few cases clearly dont like them..so they are luckily never going to be affected by the DDA, so are acting as a case of touigh luck for the rest of us...

If I came on dogsey and slated golden retrievers, mals, NIs, jrt's etc etc saying they should all be wiped out for whatever reason i would be shot down.

To say that this isnt relevant is dangerous as ultimately if we accept that a law such as BSL can be implemented then ALL of our dogs are at risk,all it takes is a couple of dog attacks by another breed and you will get the media hype and a ban all over again with as different breed. After all the amount of puppy farmers BYB's and dodgy breeders that are chucking out very badly bred crosses and supposed breeds is going to lead to some very unreliable dogs in homes that dont know what they have let themselves in for.

For a dog lovers forum i am incredibly suprised by how many people think nothing of suggesting euthanising millions of potentially completely innocent dogs.

i question again if we were talking about collies how many of you would feel the same - after all the italian version of the DDA has collies listed on it - perhaps we should follow suit ??

*Stands and applauds Brundog*