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Originally Posted by
Mahooli
I use Watch when on the move with Wilson so I don't see why not!
Becky
Thanks Becky.
Originally Posted by
thandi
I am not entirely clear on what is happening, -
are you saying she is grabbing at your trousers or leaning in to you leg?
Yes, definitely grabbing and not leaning!
Originally Posted by
thandi
I wouldnt teach 'watch me' for moving her in the show ring as it will spoil her outline and possibly throw her movement out (I was watching an ESS at a show yesterday, which was concentrating so hard on 'watching' its owner on the move, that it was pacing! its a very nice dog too, and one that has done very well in the past, but it threw the class away).
I can see what you mean, although I do feel pacing tends to be quite heavily influenced by genes and thankfully Isla's lines don't seem to have this problem, thank god!
Originally Posted by
thandi
Is she likely to get over excited for a treat - if so, might this cause you a different set of problems?
Possibly, yeah?
Originally Posted by
thandi
if it is just a case of you wanting her to look ahead rather than weld herself to your side, i can offer a possible solution, but will wait to see if I have the right end of the stick first!
Ooh pray tell woman!
Originally Posted by
springergirl
i think the watch me is okay if you're doing competitive heel-work, but not for showing cos i think it would spoil her outline when she's moving out. maybe you could try using a target stick for her to follow? i do heelwork to music with sam and i used to use a target stick to get him trotting straight next to me, now he just does it automatically. i have it on a cue, and just say 'trot', and he goes into this lovely flowing trot. just an idea
Thanks for that suggestion, it's definitely possible. I used clicker training to back chain her retrieve, so I can see using a target stick working quite well.
Originally Posted by
rachelsetters
I agree wouldn't use watch me as said above will ruin the outline.
I would also avoid the treat - she needs to learn that she will get a treat but only if she does it right.
It sounds like excitement to me - my 22m boy can still be a nuthead in the ring and bounce around - basically I would stop go back to where the last corner and start again each time and only reward when she does it right - continue when she does it right.
Yep, it's definitely excitment. But you know thinking about it I think it's the indoor venues that are exacerbating problem. Outdoors she seems to be much better, I think being indoors she gets a bit bored as there's nothing to occupy her mind and I think the atmosphere could be making her worse too?
Originally Posted by
rachelsetters
Do you have her lead loose/or have the lead high on her neck not strung up but you do get more control this way?
- it doesn't need to be a tight type hold but I find you do have better control and they can't be as silly
although Angus does try?
I run her on a tight lead, but not strung up. I HATE seeing dogs being strung up! Doesn't make much difference though, she's very strong!
Originally Posted by
rachelsetters
Remember at 18m and a springer she still has a long way to go in the calming down stakes
True, I still want her to have fun, but I get the distinct feeling she's begininng to take the Michael now!
Originally Posted by
megan57collies
I've always used "get on" when running as I don't want the dog looking at me but looking ahead therefore moving at their best. I'm trying to think back how I did it, think when the dog was running right I used it so he realised what it meant. So you could try doing something like that. I would not encourage the dog to look at you or use a treat when running. You see so many dogs that run round with their head turned out to the owner, at some angles it's like a headless dog, ruins the line of the dog and does hinder their movement.
I think I will have to use a different command. I use "heel" at the mo as that's how she's been taught to walk nicely, but I think I'll have to start a fresh. Can't use "get on" though cos that's her command to hunt and I realllllly don't want her to do that in the ring! :smt043
Originally Posted by
tink
Awww bless Isla, I have a simular problem with Alfie, only its with him trying to 'attach his nose to the ground' lol ! Particually if theres some interesting smells !!!
He's very food orientated so i do use treats for standing him,hes learnt what i expect of him and gets a treat when hes done,I don't use them when hes 'on the move' though but he knows he will get one afterwards.
Having said that now hes a little older he is much more 'settled' in the ring and goes into 'show mode' as soon as we get in there as he so enjoys it.The treats are more of a back up nowadays....just in case the beagle nose takes over !!!!
Whatever you decide i'm sure she will get there sooner or later !
Thank you.
Originally Posted by
Jessica
Well, i think you only have yourself to blame - You shouldnt have got an ESS!!
They always look so playful and cheeky at the shows... But yeah, by 18months she really needs to move out next to you nicely to do some good winning!
This is just what i do when training the babies so may or may not help...
Get something stinky like sausage or smelly cheese, hold it in your lead hand and lower your hand so its infront of her nose and just practice at a walk.. She needs to learn not to grab at your hand though so give her little bits after a short time if she's good, gradually getting longer.. Then you should eventually be able to do a triangle or whatever, and just give her a treat when its done..
It works for my piggies anyway!!lol
(sorry if its already been mentioned, had to skim read as i gotta get sorted for work...lol)
Thanks I'll try that one.
You should try getting an ESS, it's sooo much more fun when you've got Labs. Springers can teach them sooooo many naughty tricks! :smt043