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MichaelM
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19-07-2011, 09:18 AM
I also meant to say that fuciderm is our life saver with Ella, we do put it on her sparingly, but we definitely put it on her every night.

The spray we use is called cortavance.

We use the episoothe shampoo and I must say this does help too and last week our own vet had been to a conference on skin problems and we now have Virbac Microbex shampoo too.

We are willing to try anything.
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19-07-2011, 09:26 AM
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Hi,

It was our vet that suggested we go to the specialist.

We had a choice where to go and went with a vet a few miles from us who specialises in skin problems.

We left her at the vets for a few hours as she had to be sedated for the skin scrapings.

Even though we have no relief as such from her problems, we now know what she is allergic to and try and avoid it as much as possible. The worst thing she is allergic to is Scottish Pine Trees, and where do we live ?????? And what surrounds us ?????

We take each day as it comes with Ella, put the cream on her spots if and when they suddenly appear, and when they are unmanageble with the cream she goes straight on the anti biotics.

But the skin scrapings will give you a definite answer to the allergy question, as Ella's blood results said she wasnt allergic to grass but when we had the scrapings the grass was one of the ones that came up the worst.

Good luck and feel free to ask any questions.
Oh wow thank you so much, had no idea skin scrapings can show up differently to allergy tests done without a reaction!

I looked into intradermal skin testing a *lot* and would have had that done if we felt the problem was environmental but the vets didn't they thought food with his tummy troubles too. So I asked for the food allergy blood test and it came back as environmental, and the blood tests are not meant to be as accurate so I am a bit doubtful of the results to be honest

I know what you mean re she still has issues, but you can attempt to keep her away from them as much as possible and the like? Rupert does seem quite lucky how its only every three months but this time around with his groin rash after all his vet treatment he was crashing into walls then rolling on the floor growling and then howling his heart out, the way they're getting so much worse each time makes me want to really find out what is causing this for him.

Will mention to my vets when I next speak to them about a referral to a specialist. The vet I prefer there has a certificate in dermatology but I think that's the lowest qualification for it.
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19-07-2011, 06:15 PM
Where are you? If you are anywhere near Bristol I would
recommend a visit to Nick Thompson. If
not check out homeopathic vets in your area.
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19-07-2011, 06:40 PM
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Hi there,

Sorry to hear that you are having problems with Ruperts skin and ears.

Our 3 year old GSD has terrible skin, just like your Rupert, I could have been looking at a picture of her when looking at it.

We have been dealing with this horrendous problem since the day that we brought her home.

Has Rupert had skin scrapings or just the blood tests?
I would definitely ask for a referral to a specialist vet.

Ella had blood tests done at our own vets but they can be inaccurate and then when we went to the specialist she had the skin scrapings. The poor love is allergic to

beef, pork, chicken, grass, dust mites, pine trees, in fact I could go on and on.

We had a vaccine made specially for her but unfortunately that did not work.

So here is our regime at the minute

wafcol salmon and potato dry food.
4mg steroid daily
antibiotics for 3 weeks when skin is like Ruperts.
fuciderm cream nightly,
episoothe bath at least 3 times per week

We also have a spray that we spray her underneath with before going out.

This is the worst time of the year for her allergies, she usually gets a little respite in the winter months.

Our next step and one we are holding off from is using the drug atopica # read up about it.

We have tried every lotion and potion, herbal tablets, you name it we have tried it, if I was you I would hold off using them until you have seen a specialist.
I'm on virtually the same with my old gsd who suffers with atopy (has done all his life) and I always found his skin problems went along with horrendous ear problems flaring up, sometimes to the extent we were on ab's for about 3 months, GA to flush them out etc. and nowadays, I have to make sure I use an ear cleaner at least once a week to keep them as good as I can.

That rash really looks bad and sore, but of course, I've seen it with mine many a time, and apart from using the Epi-soothe (it's oat based, nice and calming) religeously every week, along with Fuciderm (my life saver!) I can't offer much more in the way of advice. I have found good results with Hibiscrub (another life saver), but I would never use it when the rash has flared up to that extent you want something nice and soothing. I use soothing creams afterwards too, such as Sudocreme, Vitamin E cream etc. and that really does help to calm it all down. Aloa Vera gel did nothing.

We had every test going for allergies and he too is allergic to just about everything. He has to be kept on salmon and potato because the vet thinks that salmon is beneficial to him and I must never take him off it.

Have you tried the Piriton route yet? This keeps control of the immune system, stopping it reacting wildly to everything he's allergic to, it might be worth a try?

We're at the stage now with ours, he has cushings, he has no immune system left (or so the vet tells me), so we're on a maintaince programme with him, whereby we have one week on and two weeks off of ab's (Cephacare specifically for skin) and so far so good.

Regarding those stomach problems, again I had the very same, and my vet suggested he needed more fibre too, and told me to add Oatbran to his food (he said he does this with his own dogs each day because it keeps the digestive system in good order). Again, so far so good on that front too.

What about bedding? I found my dog to be more comfortable on cotton sheets rather than any sort of blankets, so I use duvet covers on his bed which I wash almost every day without fabric conditioner of course, and non bio detergent.

I also have to make sure he has a Stronghold administered every single month to keep those biting mites at bay, because they're the ones that get into the ears and start aggravating them again.

Good luck, I do hope you get some results with a specialist.
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19-07-2011, 07:03 PM
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Where are you? If you are anywhere near Bristol I would
recommend a visit to Nick Thompson. If
not check out homeopathic vets in your area.
I'm in Essex so quite a way sadly

Originally Posted by Helena54 View Post
I'm on virtually the same with my old gsd who suffers with atopy (has done all his life) and I always found his skin problems went along with horrendous ear problems flaring up, sometimes to the extent we were on ab's for about 3 months, GA to flush them out etc. and nowadays, I have to make sure I use an ear cleaner at least once a week to keep them as good as I can.

That rash really looks bad and sore, but of course, I've seen it with mine many a time, and apart from using the Epi-soothe (it's oat based, nice and calming) religeously every week, along with Fuciderm (my life saver!) I can't offer much more in the way of advice. I have found good results with Hibiscrub (another life saver), but I would never use it when the rash has flared up to that extent you want something nice and soothing. I use soothing creams afterwards too, such as Sudocreme, Vitamin E cream etc. and that really does help to calm it all down. Aloa Vera gel did nothing.

We had every test going for allergies and he too is allergic to just about everything. He has to be kept on salmon and potato because the vet thinks that salmon is beneficial to him and I must never take him off it.

Have you tried the Piriton route yet? This keeps control of the immune system, stopping it reacting wildly to everything he's allergic to, it might be worth a try?

We're at the stage now with ours, he has cushings, he has no immune system left (or so the vet tells me), so we're on a maintaince programme with him, whereby we have one week on and two weeks off of ab's (Cephacare specifically for skin) and so far so good.

Regarding those stomach problems, again I had the very same, and my vet suggested he needed more fibre too, and told me to add Oatbran to his food (he said he does this with his own dogs each day because it keeps the digestive system in good order). Again, so far so good on that front too.

What about bedding? I found my dog to be more comfortable on cotton sheets rather than any sort of blankets, so I use duvet covers on his bed which I wash almost every day without fabric conditioner of course, and non bio detergent.

I also have to make sure he has a Stronghold administered every single month to keep those biting mites at bay, because they're the ones that get into the ears and start aggravating them again.

Good luck, I do hope you get some results with a specialist.
Fantastic thanks for all the info

Aloe Vera gel was something I was going to look into but I will cross that off my list for now. Sudocrem and Aqueous Calamine creams haven't helped him at all in the past sadly

When you mention Piriton do you mean long term? He got some the other day when his ears flaired up but they didn't seem to help and at his check up he had to have a steroid shot. That was the first time we tried them though and I think I have heard of people giving a tablet daily even when there appears to be no flair up is that something I should ask the vet about?

Rupert doesn't strictly have a bed, he has a crate with vet bed in but he doesn't spend huge amounts of time in there (he prefers the edge of my bed but is quite often on the floor). I would say he spends most of his time on the floor to be honest which is just floorboards we've no carpets just rugs and not got any real way to clean them except spray stuff

So sorry to hear your boy has cushings, hope he is doing OK. My Dad's westie has had it for three years and my godmum's spaniel has had it about 18 months and both are doing well, hopefully your lad will do well too!
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19-07-2011, 07:22 PM
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I'm in Essex so quite a way sadly



Fantastic thanks for all the info

Aloe Vera gel was something I was going to look into but I will cross that off my list for now. Sudocrem and Aqueous Calamine creams haven't helped him at all in the past sadly

Try the Vitamin E45 cream or lotion coz that really does work wonders for us. I have now found a new cream Drapolene which has antesceptic properties and that works well too.

When you mention Piriton do you mean long term? He got some the other day when his ears flaired up but they didn't seem to help and at his check up he had to have a steroid shot. That was the first time we tried them though and I think I have heard of people giving a tablet daily even when there appears to be no flair up is that something I should ask the vet about?

For my boy at 55 kgs he can have 4 a day according to my vet, and they did work well for a while, then I take him off them because I think they're not doing much good, but in the past, he was on them for say a month at a time. They just supress that immune system from acting each time he comes across something he's allergic too, but then when you're dealing with a dog who has no immune system left, it's hard to understand how they will do them any good, that's why I stopped them. Yes, definitely ask your vet about them, and they'll probably tell you to buy them over the counter, they're inexpensive about £2.50 a box but make sure you don't get those expensive ones which DON'T make them sleepy as they're not good for dogs, you have to get the cheaper ones that DO make them sleepy.


Rupert doesn't strictly have a bed, he has a crate with vet bed in but he doesn't spend huge amounts of time in there (he prefers the edge of my bed but is quite often on the floor). I would say he spends most of his time on the floor to be honest which is just floorboards we've no carpets just rugs and not got any real way to clean them except spray stuff

Same as my boy then, he prefers the kitchen floor! I bought a steam cleaner, purely because I thought if I can kill off anything that's on the surface he lies on, that's got to be helping him, especially when his sore areas are always on the tummy and groin area and the neck where he plonks his head down!

So sorry to hear your boy has cushings, hope he is doing OK. My Dad's westie has had it for three years and my godmum's spaniel has had it about 18 months and both are doing well, hopefully your lad will do well too!
Yes, he's doing ok, but only because of the current ab's he's on, because of course, having cushings, he now has demodectic mange to go along with his atopy, because as the vet explained to me, all dogs have this particular mange, but their immune systems can keep it at bay (hence the reason my 2nd dog hasn't caught it!), but when you have a dog with cushings, no immune system to fight it, it's another ongoing battle

One thing I did forget to mention is, although my dog used to have the steroid jabs on a very regular basis, sometimes they worked for a week, sometimes they worked for a whole month, or I used to give him the prednisolone's prescribed for a couple of weeks or so, BUT, when we had a break for a whole year due to an enlarged liver problem (oh that was a complete nightmare!!), a new vet prescribed him another steroid tablet for me to give him on a daily basis, which is Medrone-v 4mg, and I have to say, since giving him these tablets, it's a different world! He stopped scratching INSTANTLY and hardly ever scratched for about 2 years, until of course, he got the cushings so we're pretty much back to square one again, but with a different type of rash now!

Ask your vet about the medrone-v and whether he thinks it might improve the situatiion for your poor dog if he could have one of those a day instead of the constant injections and ab's because it could actually work just like it did for my boy. It's a VERY low dose, especially when you get down to one every other day, it's insignificant really, but if it helps keep that skin calm then you're on a winner! All the best, hope some of that helps.
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19-07-2011, 07:44 PM
oh how horrible for you and your dog

My dog has mallesizia and hyper allergic skin desiese.

She actually comes up with new things to be allergic to all the time. Fabreez is her latest one. But also every dog shampoo ive tried bar malaseb, all washing powders bar fairy, every flea treatment but i use stronghold as she has a minimal reaction to that, most cleaning products so i can only use dettol downstairs and when i clean the carpets i cant add the shampoo to the water. My mum who has ocd mopped my kitchen with bleach last week while i went and walked phoebe i had no idea and it took me ages to fiqure out why her groin tummy chest and elbows were red raw and it looked just like your photo but it did go after a bath and i remopped the floor with the dettol. We see a skin specialist and i strongly reccomend trying to see one, but you may have to accept like me and others there is no cure just management.
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