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08-02-2012, 03:51 PM
Originally Posted by Jackbox View Post
The human did not kill the cat, the hounds did, there is no difference to a domesticated dog going into prey drive and killing something smaller than it.
Sorry JB but it's a huge difference - hounds on 'hunt' have been trained, psyched up and unleashed to hunt and kill.

Most pet dogs have not.

And I would argue that yes, it's the human's fault as they trained and set-up the dog to do so. Just like if someone had trained their dog to do PP and set it to attack a person.

The owners of that dog should have been prosecuted - just like anyone else would have.
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08-02-2012, 04:19 PM
Originally Posted by Azz View Post
Sorry JB but it's a huge difference - hounds on 'hunt' have been trained, psyched up and unleashed to hunt and kill.

Most pet dogs have not.

And I would argue that yes, it's the human's fault as they trained and set-up the dog to do so. Just like if someone had trained their dog to do PP and set it to attack a person.

The owners of that dog should have been prosecuted - just like anyone else would have.
Spot on..... but you will never get the "hunt pros" to agree...... they think it is perfectly acceptable for hounds to rip an innocent animal to pieces
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08-02-2012, 04:30 PM
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The human did not kill the cat, the hounds did, there is no difference to a domesticated dog going into prey drive and killing something smaller than it...
the killing of the cat was a direct result of humans encouraging dogs to hunt together in a pack to rip an animal apart for sport. The humans may not have killed the cat, but sure as eggs are eggs, they are totally responsible for it
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08-02-2012, 04:35 PM
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I know 2 Boxers that killed someoens cat too.

Exactly, or rats , or any small furriers,its what dogs do, maybe we should ban them all incase they accidently/intentional kill something they consider prey.

The human did not kill the cat, the hounds did, there is no difference to a domesticated dog going into prey drive and killing something smaller than it...

Its a sad case, and I can understand the anger and hurt of the owner, but this could have been any dog that got loose and into her garden.
If they had been hunting legally they would have been drag hunting, hunting rabbits/rats & have just 2 dogs.

If they were not hunting then they must have been"exercising"the pack & the pack got out of control which should mean they thay are liable for prosecution under the DDA for having dogs out of control in a public place.

Instead they have been told try not to let it happen again & the owners of the cat-tough it was only a cat !

Packs do not just go after cats they go after dogs & if any go missing I know several shepherds who have lost sheep to an errant pack member(caught in the act !)as well as people with Rabbits/Cavvies/Guinea Pigs in pens outside-the police are only interested in the sheep, of course, as they don't consider small furries as being worth their time/money & they like to blame the deaths on foxes
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08-02-2012, 05:14 PM
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If they had been hunting legally they would have been drag hunting, hunting rabbits/rats & have just 2 dogs.

If they were not hunting then they must have been"exercising"the pack & the pack got out of control which should mean they thay are liable for prosecution under the DDA for having dogs out of control in a public place.

Instead they have been told try not to let it happen again & the owners of the cat-tough it was only a cat !

Packs do not just go after cats they go after dogs & if any go missing I know several shepherds who have lost sheep to an errant pack member(caught in the act !)as well as people with Rabbits/Cavvies/Guinea Pigs in pens outside-the police are only interested in the sheep, of course, as they don't consider small furries as being worth their time/money & they like to blame the deaths on foxes
They were fox hunting - which is legal in Ireland, unfortunately
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08-02-2012, 09:00 PM
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One of our field cats was killed in his own shelter by two out of control Jack Russells ! Should we legislate against JR's off leash too ?
No but surely as Brierly says these dogs should now be under an order to be leashed at least if not muzzled and yeah right I can see the hunt doing that - not. If that order was given the dogs would soon be despatched.

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No, not all JRs, but I doubt anyone would complain about legislative action to say that these particular two dogs should be

I honestly don't see this as a reasonable or reasoned comparison!
Exactly

Originally Posted by samson13 View Post
Dogs - out for recreation - out of control - kill cat !

Where's the difference or are you just saying this because it involved fox hounds ?
Are you saying they should be outside the law re having dogs under control because they are fox hounds?

Originally Posted by samson13 View Post
I fail to see your reasoning ! Why is hunting with hounds a deliberate act ? They are out of control obviously as no huntsman in his right mind would want the hounds to kill a domestic pet.

I admit that I love to see the hunt and the hounds dressed for their only legal avenue - the drag hunt, but I fail to see where the difference between this and a man walking his dogs ( legally but out of control ).

Please explain !
Why were they out of control - and why are they then immune from the law? It is illegal to have your dog out of control - simples

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Agree. From the article:

"A spokesman for the hunt says they were devastated by what happened and are taking it very seriously.

He says in future home owners will be made aware of any hunts near them."

So anyone with a hunt around will get this 'warning' and presumably have to decide whether to keep all their pets indoors, just in case? Why should they have to, just because these people want to go around killing foxes and clearly can't control their dogs?

In a 'usual' situation, i.e. walking your dog around the street, the onus would be on the dog owner, wouldn't it? Not to discharge responsibility by warning all the other pet owners that the dog was about to be walked off lead.
That is just unbelievable! But as usual it appears some people are above the law. I can just imagine how that would go down with most people on here if I said I took my dogs out warned everyone that they would be out of control and off lead but then some irresponsible person allowed their cat out!
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08-02-2012, 11:06 PM
Originally Posted by Lucky Star View Post
Agree. From the article:

"A spokesman for the hunt says they were devastated by what happened and are taking it very seriously.

He says in future home owners will be made aware of any hunts near them."

So anyone with a hunt around will get this 'warning' and presumably have to decide whether to keep all their pets indoors, just in case? Why should they have to, just because these people want to go around killing foxes and clearly can't control their dogs?

In a 'usual' situation, i.e. walking your dog around the street, the onus would be on the dog owner, wouldn't it? Not to discharge responsibility by warning all the other pet owners that the dog was about to be walked off lead.
Excellent post!

I absolutely hate how the huntsmen usually get away with having a pack of dogs out of control, yet a pet owner wouldn't get away with it so easily!

Also, these dogs go out all hyped up to kill... it is no wonder they attack and kill animals that they are not intended to kill. The vast majority of pet dogs do not go out in the same hyped up state!
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09-02-2012, 12:35 AM
I do wonder how they can make aware home owners that they will be hunting in their area.

Hunts cover a vast area and surely they would not go knocking on doors and if no owner in post a note through the door.

We were away at the weekend, but walking the dogs on Monday down the track by our our house was alot of horse dung. Obviously the hunt had been down there.

Last year driving home we saw a lone foxhound and passed the hunt several miles later. We pulled over the huntsman and told him we had seen one of the hounds. He was extremely rude and answered it will find it way back
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09-02-2012, 02:51 AM
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Its a sad case, and I can understand the anger and hurt of the owner, but this could have been any dog that got loose and into her garden.
Im not so sure Jackie, did you watch the video and see her high fencing? The hounds were hyped up and out to kill their prey. It was a pack of dogs, albeit (thankfully) not all of them, that were mauling the cat. I think the owner might had stood a better chance of saving her cat if it had been just the one dog
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09-02-2012, 09:45 PM
I have known plent of huntsmen and their hounds and have been out hunting many a time. For the majority of the time they have a higher degree of control of their pack than many 'normal' dog owners do.
These incidents are in the minority, thankfully.
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