i think it comes across benmcf that u feel u are above people because u rescue,im sure that u dont mean to come across that way...but u do.

i dont think people should be made to feel bad that they paid for a dog.... its their choice...as it is your choice too

I try not to put words into the mouths of others or jump to conclusions (although I realise that is the only exercise some people get) and have to wonder why you are so defensive?

So I cannot and will not speak for others, I will leave that to you.

However it matters not to me where anyone gets their dog from, that is their choice and we live in a democracy.

there is nothing BETTER or WORSE about obtaining a dog from a breeder or a charity.

I do not BELIEVE you have bought a dog, this is not a matter of FAITH, the FACT that you have PAID for a dog means you have purchased it or, in your case leased/rented or hired it.

Money has been paid to a charity in return for which you have received a dog. This is a fact, not a belief, an assumption, or fantasy.

Why do you think there is anything the matter with those who challenge your point of view?

I do not need anything to validate my views in this particular case other than the facts, which you have supplied.

You can continue to "believe" that you have not "bought" a dog, that is your prerogative but it also does not preclude you from being "mistaken".

There are lots of people who attend X Factor auditions under the illusion of having some talent. I applaud their belief, but the facts remain that most do not.

Your dog was not a gift.
Your dog is not actually even yours.
Your dog belongs to the charity and you are merely its keeper.

And this could in the future impact on you, the dog and the charity if legislation is changed.

But it does not bother me if you do not "believe" this, they are the facts.

Being a sucker for scruffy terriers/ Lurchers papers don't exist. Would want to see at least the mother though.

Drive into town to register a litter ????? All ISDS dogs can be registered by post no visit to anywhere needed-except for a post box of course

Health ??? No pedigree or health test results I presume ? If the breeder doesn't bother to register the odds are they don't bother to health test either !

How do you know did you see a current eye certificate from a BVA panelist ???

If you have given money for any reason to the DT then no matter what you sign, you are his owner

I am afraid if any bickering is taking place it needs at least two parties to do so!

Or are your posts not childish or bickering?

As someone who purports to aim to be a member of the APDT it might behoove you to read about Kelly's Theory of Personal Constructs; it can be very useful when dealing with clients and, of course, how to put your point across to others!

The microchip doesn't prove ownership of anything other than the chip-surely you know that by now

the town has the post box - hes a hill farmer a 30 mile drive from anything - a 15 min drive to get off the single track roads
and you presume wrong, I have no idea what you mean by pedigree tests but both the dogs are registered isds dogs and the bitch compeated well but he gave it up because he was too busy with his sheep
noone getting a dog from the litter was bothered about papers, they know the parents and knew the farmer and new the health tests - that was enough for them

I fail too see anywhere where i have ever said I think I or my dogs are 'better' than anyone elses dogs
I have just said that where I got them was my choice
and many times I have had to defend why they are not WORSE
I have no issue with anyones dogs
as for being defensive - nope I was just trying to explain myself when other people felt the need to attempt to push their beliefs on me
I have not bought a dog
other people believe differently - me explaining my standpoint is not defensive it is simply explaining

and to be defensive the others would have to be attacking - do you feel that is the case? or is it OK for them to jump on my post about me NOT paying for a dog but not for me to then explain what I ment?