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21-04-2015, 02:10 PM
Originally Posted by Moyra View Post
Yes, Dogs can anticipate their love ones coming home. Amber is always at the door to greet me and she also knows the Tesco van before it appears she gets excited as she knows it brings her treats. She also tells me when my son Steve is due home too. She greets him with a ball or a rubber bone. When I walk Amber and she is taking too long to do her toilet then I only have to send psychic message to her and sure enough she goes to it. Dogs are very psychic it proves they are still in touch with their spiritual side. So once you can calm your turbulent distress and listen to the small voices inside you will hear the messages Harvey is relaying to you. Good Luck. June's story is so true she relates much of what I have experienced too as does some of the others.

Yes they are, as I have said, Harvey and I were always very in tune and I knew exactly what he was thinking. Maybe not his exact thoughts but his emotions, happiness, calmness, inquisitiveness, playfulness, I for sure knew when he wanted me and he knew when I was looking for him.
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21-04-2015, 02:15 PM
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Dogs are very tuned in, Poppy appears to have her own time clock and knows when it's walk time etc. Maybe Harvey knew how long you were going to be out for and could estimate your return. Either that or he had hidden a 'tracker' device in your car and you were under surveillance.
Haha tracker device....

Harvey had a perfect body clock. Liked his tea dead on 4pm everyday, he would always come and find me and ask for it, I'd check my watch and he was always bang on time, never failed.

Same with walking time, always bang on in the morning and in the evening. He knew when it was bed time with out me saying so...
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21-04-2015, 04:53 PM
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Hello Kenny! I'm sorry I've been off for a few days-- been a bit under the weather and not up to dealing with my ageing computer, but I'm still trying to keep up.

I suppose, in a way, we were fortunate when Laszlo died. He had haemangiosarcoma: an evil, evil cancer that is incredibly aggressive, but is nearly impossible to detect until it blows up. It blew up, but the first one was on his spleen, and you can do without that. An absolutely heroic emergency vet removed it. She said, at the time, that though she couldn't find any more tumours while she was in there, that didn't mean they weren't-- and they almost certainly were; if she had found them, she said at the time it wouldn't even be fair to wake him up from the anaesthesia. They were there. They don't cause any pain, generally, but when they blow up, it's bad. We knew the next blow up was final, and it happened about a month later. There was no question of putting it off. He would have bled to death within hours, and that is not a nice way to go-- or we could have him put to sleep. Unfortunately, the timing was inconvenient, and I must have called every vet in the phone book trying to find someone, anyone, who would come to our flat. I don't know how I could just keep calling up and asking, anyone, please, please, come kill my dog-- but that's what you have to do. No one could, but friends came through; one who had been a vet nurse contacted her ex-boss who got out of her bed and came out after midnight to see to it. We had to drive him to the practice, and it was far away and unfamiliar, and Laszlo was a very timid boy anyway, and it was really hard to get him down the stairs-- he was enormous; two people could lift, but not carry him. It took two of us to do a sort of guided fall since he refused to be lifted in a blanket. By the time he was at the practise he couldn't even stand, but I held him up and he walked in. The vet did give him a sedative. She said she would get in trouble for it, but she didn't care. He drifted off, and she gave him the last injection. It was over in seconds. He was tired, he was on his way out, there was so little blood left in his brain. It was easy for him, or at least I think it was.

That was years ago. I'll never forget it and never get over it, but I wouldn't take back a solitary second of Laszlo's time with us. But like you, one of my regrets is that he never got to go to France. Very shortly before Laszlo got sick, my mother in law fell while hillwalking and died. My husband is the last of his line and the house fell to him. We spend time there every year, to keep it up, but also to just love being there-- it is great, out in the middle of nowhere, where you can howl with your pack without fear of retribution from the neighbours and heckle owls at night... we had his passport all sorted, all his jags, everything, but he just didn't have enough time.

His ashes are there, though. The house is a beautiful converted barn that we're going to do our darndest to keep in the family, and the most stable place we have. We have not buried them. They're in a pot in the warmest, darkest spot in the house, safe from bustle, with treasured books and stuff, and I still pick up that pot and hold it, and remember him.

And if that's pathetic, then we can be pathetic together, you and I.

Sorry for rambling on and on and on and on and ON... I just wanted to give you that story. I am at peace with Laszlo's death. It doesn't mean I won't always miss him. I always will, and even years on, sometimes the grief can come on like a thunderbolt. I don't see what shame there could possibly be in that, or why it should be at odds with having peace with his being gone.

There are these people-- usually they want to sell you stuff-- who go on and on and on about balance, always seeking balance. I wonder if they've read anything of the texts they spout, and I wonder if of anything that they have read, they have absorbed anything at all. I may not be old enough to have any authority, but I do an awful lot of thinking... it's my lot. And I tell you this, with all the truth I have being wielded by a large bald man with a spiritual cricket bat: grief is part of balance. Accept it. Accept that it might never go away. Temper it. Temper it with love, and with not hanging on to the past. Make it fast in the bottom of your soul so you can never let it go. It is not a sink, not a weight, not a boulder. It is fertile ground. Think of it as old bones: the bones of the cherished departed, now nourishing new growth.

Okay, that was really hard to write, and I hope it wasn't too awful. I really do have to go back to bed now.

Love to all of you!

Hi SC

You have nothing to say sorry for and infact Im sorry that you have been feeling poorly quite apart from replying when you shoulkd concentrate on getting better. I am grateful that you have though but please look after your self

I have re-read your post quite a few times before replying and I know it must have been hard to write, thank you for doing so although I am horrified to read about Laszlo and I am so so sorry, also I am sorry about your mum in law, that would not have been easy either.

What a caring vet you had with Laszlo at the end and I guess maybe, some how, in some small tiny way that was a mercy at least.

There is nothing pathetic in what you describe, it's touching, it's loving and if people dont understand that then it's their loss.

You have not rambled either and I am grateful that you have felt able to tell me about your dear Laszlo.

I am hoping that maybe with time I will feel how you describe at the end of your post but I am a long way from being able to do so and I think that there would be something wrong if I wasnt.

Chronic Depression is my lot in life, it does not help that I spend most of my time feeling life is worth the hassle by default. The only thing that kept me going was Harvey. My medications don't help either, they suppress emotions of depression, they dont remove them they just act like a blanket and kind of smother them but the trouble is it make the emotions worse in a way, they are like a seething boiling pot that is never able to boil over.

I do hope that you feel better soon and please look after yourself first, then your family and furry friends second.

Love back to you (from all of us I'm sure)
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21-04-2015, 04:56 PM
A little illustration of how much I lived my life for Harvey.

In the veg garden I grew almost every vegetable especially for Harvey based on his favorites.

So I normally grew row and rows of Carrots (he went mad for a freshly pulled one as they are so tasty and juicy), French Beans and Runner Beans (He LOVED both of these picked straight off the plants), Red Cabbage (he loved this shredded and he loved how it crunched), Swedes - very sweet tasting, and lettuce (not much nutritional value but again he loved the crunch).

I also grew fruit especially for him, Blackcurrants (he loved these), Blueberries (very good for dogs and humans), Apples (Never allowed windfalls but loved them cored and pips removed) and his special favorite was Strawberries.

I would give him the biggest most ripe ones I could find and he would gently take each one in his mouth, lay down and bite it and the look of sheer pleasure on his face was amazing. The juice would run out of his mouth and his eyes would be half closed as he licked his lips. I never gave him too many, one maybe two fresh off the plant each day and it was a special moment. I would say to him "Do you want a strawberry" and his little tail would wag like mad and he would dash off to the gate by the strawberry patch - he knew exactly what Strawberry meant and where they were grown.

Last autumn I had ordered from the internet some giant strawberry plants that produce fruits a few inches across and very sweet and juicy. I bought these especially for Harvey and I was looking forward so much to seeing the look on his little face as he ate the first ones.

Also, in first week of March (before his seizures took hold) I had ordered and sown seed of a carrot mix that contains red and purple carrots (the thinking was these coloured ones had higher levels of vitamins for him and would give him different tastes to enjoy.

At the same time I had sown in pots in a cold frame a ton of French Beans - all ready for my boy.

About 3 weeks ago, while Harvey was having his run of good days I had planted out 2 long rows of Red Cabbage for him.

I went for a walk down the garden earlier at our normal walkies time carrying Harvey with me and I noticed that the carrots are through now and some of the French beans are through, the Red Cabbage is growing strongly.

This has really upset me (as if I wasn't upset enough) and I had an over whelming urge to rip all the plants up. Call me stupid but I don't want to grow them now he's now here to enjoy them let alone see them growing.
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21-04-2015, 06:17 PM
I'm familiar with medications for depression, and yeah, you're right. People may call them happy pills, but what they are is a mask, a shut-down valve, a squelch filter. There's no happy about it, but the medicine does help if it can shut down the shutoff feelings you're having and maybe give you a little kick to get yourself going again. I've only ever been on them for short term, so I only know what I know. Your condition is different from mine, so I can't give you any practical advice apart from slow down, take it easy and try to get some rest, which you badly need. You've suffered a major blow so please do ask if you're feeling like you may need any change in your medicine or any extra help.

No one is going to call you stupid if you want to rip up those plants. Go ahead and start over. Or let them just do what they want and see what happens. Who knows: you may get giant cabbages and strawberries as volunteers.

After Laszlo died, we knew we needed another big dog in our lives, but we knew we wanted one who was not like Laszlo in any way. Laszlo was incomparable. We wanted a dog who would stand on his own strengths. We got Taji-- and he is a story in himself. And I love him, love him, love him. Maybe one day you'll have it in you to bring another dog into your life. I hope you will.

And if you're ever worried about who wants to be your friends... I hope you have your answer right here.
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21-04-2015, 06:30 PM
And as for the place for this thread...

This is a forum about dogs, but if it was only about dogs, we would all just be ethologists, under the constraints and restrictions that that would bring us. This is a forum about dogs AND people, the people who have and love the dogs they love and have. So I hope this thread stays in its place.
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21-04-2015, 07:00 PM
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I'm familiar with medications for depression, and yeah, you're right. People may call them happy pills, but what they are is a mask, a shut-down valve, a squelch filter. There's no happy about it, but the medicine does help if it can shut down the shutoff feelings you're having and maybe give you a little kick to get yourself going again. I've only ever been on them for short term, so I only know what I know. Your condition is different from mine, so I can't give you any practical advice apart from slow down, take it easy and try to get some rest, which you badly need. You've suffered a major blow so please do ask if you're feeling like you may need any change in your medicine or any extra help.

No one is going to call you stupid if you want to rip up those plants. Go ahead and start over. Or let them just do what they want and see what happens. Who knows: you may get giant cabbages and strawberries as volunteers.

After Laszlo died, we knew we needed another big dog in our lives, but we knew we wanted one who was not like Laszlo in any way. Laszlo was incomparable. We wanted a dog who would stand on his own strengths. We got Taji-- and he is a story in himself. And I love him, love him, love him. Maybe one day you'll have it in you to bring another dog into your life. I hope you will.

And if you're ever worried about who wants to be your friends... I hope you have your answer right here.
Hi SC
A squelch filter is exactly what they are - wow what a great description. The don't alleviate the feelings at all, they squash them down which I find can intensify them, a bit like a pressure cooker.

I have left the plants for now, just don't have the heart as it would seem like another bit of Harvey lost. Same with his last few poo's - okay that may sound sad but I don't care.

I won't say never but I just can't imagine seeing another dog here, in the places where he should be, where he slept and out in the garden where he laid, walking the fields where he should be. I think that I may resent another dog doing that right now.

And you are right, I know exactly where my friends are - right here...

I am completely overwhelmed by the patience, support and kindness I have been shown by everyone and as for what Moyra did, words can not do that justice.
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21-04-2015, 07:01 PM
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And as for the place for this thread...

This is a forum about dogs, but if it was only about dogs, we would all just be ethologists, under the constraints and restrictions that that would bring us. This is a forum about dogs AND people, the people who have and love the dogs they love and have. So I hope this thread stays in its place.
Thank you SC, genuinely thank you.
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21-04-2015, 08:58 PM
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Nite nite gnasher

Thank you for putting up with me and for the kind and wise words.

Sleep well
You silly boy!!
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21-04-2015, 09:04 PM
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Here's something I want to share...

About 6 years ago I was living with a partner in the house I lived in before the one I am in now.

Harvey was of course there also.

She told me that when ever I went out for what ever reason, Harvey was always calm and his normal self, no separation issues but without fail may be 10 or 12 minutes before I'd get home he would go to the front door and wait. Sometimes he would stand and his tail would wag slowly but most times he would sit. Then when he heard my car he would get excited and start furiously wagging his tail and search urgently for a toy or bone to present to me as soon as I opened the door.

He did this every single time and he knew I was on my way home long before he could have even heard the car.

Can anyone explain this because I can't?
I can only say that my Hal was exactly the same ... I can't explain it, but I totally accept it ... what is it? Telepathy? I don't know, but animals have this ability ... intelligent animals. I believe at one time we would have had this ability but have lost it through so-called civilisation ... being educated, being taught how to write, to think, to analyse has destroyed our intuition, our telepathic abilities that other animals still display.
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