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Originally Posted by
chaz
So can you provide a study to show otherwise if its so easy?
The pictures are to show where the dew claw would be hitting the ground, so therefore where the dogs who have thenm would be using them. I do wish though that I had a slow mo video of a dog with and without dew claws turning, as that would be the thing that really show the point.
A body, of anything though is like a machine, each part relies on something else, by taking one thing it will have a effect elsewhere. No matter how small, the body isn't the way it is for no reason.
Also how much extra excercise do you think sporting dogs get then normal dogs? I give you working dogs, but many pets have about two or three off lead excercise a day, some sporting dogs are their just for fun, but even if their owners are in it because they live it they wouldn't over do it for the dogs, as such things have to be fun, and I'm betting that any training ring isn't anything like the places that many dogs get walked, long grass, objects, uneven ground, which may be slippy, the list is endless, yes they have jumps etc, but they are man made, not like the great outdoors.
Also if dogs don't regulary use their dew claws then why don't they need cutting as regulary as the normal nails?
I did not say it was so easy Chaz, I said the study will fit her porpose, If you had a slow motion video of a dog with or without dew claws turning, and depending on the breed type of dog , they would all look different, so that point would be void, my Boxers dont have dew claws, they can turn on a sixpence and would give your dogs a run for their money.the only plus your dogs would have is speed, they would outrun mine in a straight line.
My point is a dog can work /run and do everything else a dog with dew claws can do, they can hold a bone, scratch an eye, turn in a tight circle,, if you google you tube you will see Boxer dogs (just using them as an example) doing all manner of agility /herding work, they will all be docked and dew clawed..and they excel in what ever they do.
In my lifetime, having had dogs with and without both, I cant see where those without, have been at a disadvantage to those who had.
Originally Posted by
Ben Mcfuzzylugs
Well I think it does make a differenceI know of cattle farmers in America who dog border collies tails purpously to make them less agille so they turn in larger circles
Dog DO use their tails, to comunicate and for balance
Dogs DO use their dew claws
As we have said, we differ in opinions, the guy with no fingers was your analogy not mine,
Just because they can manage without them dosent mean they should get them cut off
I did not say they should, my point is it does not hinder them to lose them, which was your point... the morality of removing them is a different argument.
As you fine well know my point about the guy with the missing fingers was to show that you can adapt to things
He dosent run on his hands so less strains on them so less chance of long term damage
I have no idea what you think agility dogs do but mine spend far more time bombing tru undergrowth and taking leaps on uneaven ground while on walks, agiity is only a very small part of their lives
I guess their life might be a little more stressful on their joints than some of the dogs who are never offlead in their lives - but the agility bit of it is very little
They do agility dont they?????
Did I give an impression otherwise, , the argument of some and the link given was that loss of dew claws was detrimental to joint and bone health, and as said the author was talking about performance dogs, (agility) and such. and the point was beign made that maybe the arthritis she sees may be due to heavy pounding on joints of agility dogs.
Just like humans, who take part in sports that pound the joints, you are going to see more wear on them than other peopel who are less active.
Originally Posted by
rune
If you have to cut a bit of the dog off in order for it to do its job it is not bred fit for function.
rune
I did not not say it did, there is more to "fit for function" than a docked tail or dew claw removal
A dog fit for function should be structural and mentally sound, removal of digits and tails is just like tying your hair up out of the way of it getting tangled in machinery or such like.. its a safety measure, not a "fit for function" measure.