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21-02-2011, 03:25 PM
Originally Posted by Adam Palmer 
That can be one of the issues with reward training a high drive dog, when you move onto variable reward the dog becomes slightly frustrated at the inconsitency which makes him try harder |(great for us) but can also have fall out.
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21-02-2011, 05:56 PM
Originally Posted by Adam Palmer
Doubt it, you just work as low as they need you too.
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I can imagine that a dog who cannot figure out how to remove a 'stim' would be a lot more frustrated than a dog who couldn't figure out how to get a treat... Just don't see the point in causing any kind of discomfort when it only takes a bit more patience to do it in a way that is fun for everyone. Obviously the dogs do not enjoy being 'stimmed'.
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21-02-2011, 06:23 PM
Originally Posted by Reisu
Would have to be low enough that he could sleep through it for him
I can imagine that a dog who cannot figure out how to remove a 'stim' would be a lot more frustrated than a dog who couldn't figure out how to get a treat... Just don't see the point in causing any kind of discomfort when it only takes a bit more patience to do it in a way that is fun for everyone. Obviously the dogs do not enjoy being 'stimmed'.
Adam
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21-02-2011, 09:41 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NI93pPStTQ
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21-02-2011, 09:52 PM
Originally Posted by Adam Palmer
Many dogs won't be especially motivated by what you have.
You can use deprivation to make them more motivated (which will have fallout ect) or you can increase motivation in other ways.
Even with a motivated dog it seems to take months to get a reliableish recall around distractions.
I can have a reliable recall around distractions in a few hours. Then the owner practises for a while and I come back and we do another sesison around high distractions.
If needed we can run the sessions together and get a reliable recall around high distractions within 3 or 4 hours.Adam
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21-02-2011, 10:00 PM
Originally Posted by Adam Palmer
Using an e collar on a fearful dog.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NI93pPStTQ
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why cant you actually give your OWN experiences rather than just pinching stuff from the DW and youtube vids and actually LEARN some stuff for yourself?!
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21-02-2011, 10:04 PM
Originally Posted by Dawes Paws
fearful dog, FORCED into a situation, YES forced as if it doesnt comply it gets zapped!! even at the end of the vid, dog is still panting, therefore STRESSED, when she displays the "right" behaviour she gets no toy or treat as a reward, the reward she DOES get is to move away from the bins, so completely counter-productive!!
why cant you actually give your OWN experiences rather than just pinching stuff from the DW and youtube vids and actually LEARN some stuff for yourself?!
Adam
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