awwww.

And have seen a gun being indescriminate first hand on the shoot i go on, the guns are encouraged to shoot a fox,,,,, if they can guarantee a clean shot and nobody is behind, they managed to get one last week, a dog fox in the prime of its life, gorgeous animal, i have to confess i understand why it had to be killed (managed pheasant estate) but do confess to being sad to see this animal cut down in the prime of its life, and have to wonder if it would have got away if it was being hunted

Most of those I know who are remotely involved with fox hunting are not at all 'Toffs', many are ordinary working folk. I find that sort of accusation distasteful, as for enjoying hunting or shooting, I love it, as I love eating meat and have respect for the animals I eat. Most people don't understand where their meat comes from and are happy to eat some anonymous cling filmed package of meat bought from the supermarket, with no knowledge of how that animal lived or died, and therefore no guilt about any suffering it may have endured either throughout life, or at the time of it's death.

Comparing a pet dog to a hound is not ridiculous, they are both chasing , killing a wild animal, and , do you think the rabbit chased and caught by your pet dog is any less terrified because your pet has chased and killed it.

Do you think your pet dispatches the wild rabbit with more grace than the hound, you you think the rabbit is any less dead or has a better death by your pet compared to the hound.

Does the pet not rip a part the rabbit to eat it ( if owner allows) is the ripping apart any more tolerable when its done by the pet dog.

The hound dispatches the fox quickly and cleanly, the fox will be dead by the time it is ripped apart (if its ripped apart)


There is a huge hypocracy here it seems.

Propadanda is being thrown around a lot , the fox is chased for miles exhausting it , ripping a live animal to shreds, is one of the biggest.


The next time Jake chases and kills something, ask yourself did the rabbit feel any less trauma or was any less dead, because your pet killed it.

More propaganda, if those who throw the "toffs" accusation around, actually went to meet those who hunt , they may realise the truth.

ALL walks of life hunt, if you can afford the subscription , have a horse to sit on , you can hunt...

Very very much agree with this.

Do you enjoy the shooting, or the killing?

I'm sorry (well, no I'm not actually sorry) but I think anyone who kills for ENJOYMENT are the worst kind. It is the trait that makes me dislike the human race as a general group.

People on here are often horrified by the way some dogs are treated... sometimes by physical abuse, sometimes by being passed from pillar to post, being bred from continuous... yet, it seems to be much more acceptable to some, to kill a fox in a horrific way (fox hunting, not shooting).

Sometimes animals do need to be killed (even though I don't always agree with it), but it should be because it is needed, and not because it is enjoyed.

People choose not to look at the bigger picture Steve, always have. If they saw the MASSIVE increase of mange ridden animals, over population creeping further into towns etc.. and the REAL harm these animals do, they may think again. However they choose not to see any of it. Still Rats, Wasps etc.. all get slaughtered, trapped, poisoned, gassed etc.. why are they different?

I too enjoy shooting. Rough shooting. I njoy working the dogs too, I wont stop for peoples ignorance or blinkered view of the bigger picture. I have no hang ups with anything I do.

I didn't say a hound, I said FOX HUNTING.

The chase of a dog and rabbit is generally quick, at least when my dog has chased them coz they are always close to the burrows. That is MUCH different to being chased for miles, terrified for their life. Yes, the rabbit would be terrified for a few seconds, but the vast majority get away from all the dogs I know... and a short burst of fear is natural to a small prey animal.

Also, my dog has always killed them exceptionally fast, just a quick shake and that is it. Not being ripped apart.

That is MUCH nicer than what a fox goes through during a fox hunt.

I think the wild rabbit gets a much faster death, and goes through much less terror due to the quickness of the chase and kill. Knowing you have a pack of hounds on your tail for miles isn't exactly a nice trip through the countryside for the fox!

The rabbit is dead by then, the rabbit is not ripped apart alive! (not by Jake, or any of the other dogs I know who have killed rabbits in the past).

Ha, I don't believe that for one second! The rest of the hounds aren't going to sit patiently until the other hound has killed the fox. Also, dead foxes have been examined and found that the 'quick nip' that pro-fox hunters say kills the fox, isn't there! I've read many times about foxes being torn apart alive by the hounds... and other poor animals that are unfortunately found along the way! It is much easier for a dog to give a small animal like a rabbit a quick shake to kill, than a hound with an animal the size of a fox... I just don't buy it, it's not that quick.


Aye, whatever you say

That is because it happens.

Yes, it would. It is quick, and a clean kill. The chase is quick, and the kill is quick. Of course the rabbit is no less dead, but as a prey animal it is eaten so not a needless death in that sense.

I would just like to add that Jake catches them rarely... and usually coz he surprises them... otherwise they are gone before he is anywhere near... and they actually casually just hop back down the burrows when they see him (or any dog) coming.

What do you think is used on FOX HUNTING..........

Aye, whatever you say

You go on beleiving the terror your pet is inflicting is lesser then the hounds.