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24-04-2011, 07:17 PM

Service dog bites child

Found this on another forum and would like your responses:

http://www.northjersey.com/topstorie...?scpromo=1&c=y

RIVER VALE — A 14-month*-old service dog accused of biting the nose of a 6 year old will be the subject of a municipal court hear*ing next week to determine whether the German shepherd is a vicious animal.

Ava is a service dog for 9-year*-old cancer patient Molly Kimball, trained to prevent Molly from falling whenever she shows signs of dizziness — a symptom caused by tumors inside her brain. Ac*cording to Doug Anton, an attor*ney retained by Molly’s parents, this was the first time the pooch has ever been accused of biting someone.

“This was a true accident,” An*ton said. “The highly trained ani*mal should not suffer, and more importantly, Molly, who relies on this animal after having six brain surgeries, and relies on the animal tremendously, should not suffer. This dog has become part of her family.”

The incident occurred in March, when Ava allegedly lunged towards Isabelle Gern*hardt, who lives next door to Mol*ly and her parents, Paul and Patri*cia. The dog bit Isabelle’s face and she sustained a large gash that starts on her forehead and runs down the bridge of her nose.

“The young lady next door, af*ter a year of knowing the dog, has a game of hide-and-seek [with Ava] and hid behind her mom’s legs,” Anton said. “The dog is trained to give a little kiss or lick when they find the person. It’s a weird situation. The dog was get*ting close, and was on a leash at*tached to a choker collar.”
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24-04-2011, 07:32 PM
its a bit of he said, she said, there is no doubt that the little girl was bitten, and the owners have admitted it was there dog, but claim the choker forced the mouth to close, i dont know, i think ava should be retired and given to an adult only house with gsd experience
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24-04-2011, 07:39 PM
Originally Posted by lisa01uk87 View Post
its a bit of he said, she said, there is no doubt that the little girl was bitten, and the owners have admitted it was there dog, but claim the choker forced the mouth to close, i dont know, i think ava should be retired and given to an adult only house with gsd experience
What do you think to the fact she is only 14 months old - isn't there an age limit on service dogs? UK service dogs are just coming out of homes that have brought them up aren't they?
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24-04-2011, 07:46 PM
thats one of the reasons why i think she should be retired, she is only a baby herself, maybe the "proffesional" world just isn't for her

according to canine partners
After their puppy socialisation they move to the West Sussex Training Centre and our Advanced Trainers take over!
When our pups come into Advanced Training, at about 14 months old, we will then tailor-make their training to the needs of each individual. Training takes from 4-6 months
so they haven't completed there training at 14 months

something just doesn't sit right with me in this story

as i said the girl was undoubtedly bitten by this dog but something just isn't right and i cant put my finger on why this gives me an uneasy feeling

ETA: i have crossposted this to a gsd forum to see what they think
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24-04-2011, 07:50 PM
Thank you Lisa - it just seems like a made up news report to me.. something doesn't sit right with me either.
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24-04-2011, 08:07 PM
If the dog is just 14 months old now, she has become an "established member of the family"? What age was she placed at? Her age leapt out at me as well. Wonder is it a misprint
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24-04-2011, 08:12 PM
Originally Posted by Velvetboxers View Post
If the dog is just 14 months old now, she has become an "established member of the family"? What age was she placed at? Her age leapt out at me as well. Wonder is it a misprint
It was said on the other forum that perhaps she isn't from an agency - the family had trained her themselves.. but the child she assists is only 9 and 9 year olds get attached easy.
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24-04-2011, 08:18 PM
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It was said on the other forum that perhaps she isn't from an agency - the family had trained her themselves.. but the child she assists is only 9 and 9 year olds get attached easy.
That thought had crossed my mind also about her being home trained. Too much too fast & expecting too much from a puppy perhaps
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24-04-2011, 09:06 PM
but claim the choker forced the mouth to close,

Complete twaddle, a choke chain if tight will in fact encourage the dog to do the opposite!

Dogs are only dogs; they, like us, are not infallible.

Do not know all the facts, was this a dog that was bred by a reputable and recognised organisation, puppy walked by trained personnel and trained by skilled staff?

Or, was it similar to a couple of the organisations in the UK where people's own dogs are trained to be assistance dogs?

Dogs which start out for GDBA, Canine Partners etc are assessed closely throughout their career and, if they prove not suitable, there is usually a very long waiting list for the "rejects".

For me I need far more information to come to a rational conclusion.
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