It would at the very least be a start. Making excuses not to sign up imo is very wrong.

PW
are you now saying I breed unhealthy dog?

again... whats the % of pedigree dogs in rescue to x breeds?
I know where I live its 80% x breeds to 20% poorly produced pedigrees

PW.. I would love to see a breeders micro chip introduced.. I would love to see many changes to dog breeding...

here is a link to RRT... where the owner of the rescue has put my point over re : breeders micro chip...its the bit in blue..
http://www.rottweilerrescuetrust.co....wsandviews.htm

here is a link to the rescue page.. there is a bit that lists breeders willing to take back any dog

http://www.rottweilerrescuetrust.co....sforrescue.htm

your preaching to the wrong folk...

A good start would be.........

Mandatory health tests for all breeding stock for all bred traits
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Cracking down on byb /pf.........as these are where most of the health issues arise.

Certain breeds need to be addressed, but these are a handful.not the population of the dog world.


Most breeds today have no need to inbreed, the gene pools are big enough, the way it is being pushed to the forefront of all health issues is rediculous......

OK, for all breeders on here, and anyone who knows their breeds and lines.... do a little research, see who many are purposely inbreeding (not line breeding) how many people do you know how are breeding brother to sister, mother to son, daughter to father.. or even going back in your odgs 5 gen pedigree.

I bet you wont find many if any

The numerically small endangered breeds is another matter, if new (clean/healthy) blood can be brought in, great... but sometimes if it is necessary..so be it.

But all these problems you have just mentioned are just as prevalent if not much worse in BYBs. The KC is no angel don't get me wrong and there is massive work to be done but it's not the KC who is purely at fault. To begin with the KC does need to bemuch stricter about health regulations but I honestly believe the BYBs are the biggest problem. I guess the problem is a KC breeder does not mean a responsible one and vice versa. Wish we could clamp down on all of them to be honest. Just my tuppence.

http://www1.imperial.ac.uk/medicine/...nbreedingdogs/

The extent of inbreeding in purebred dogs and how this reduces their genetic variation is revealed in a new study by Imperial College London researchers. Inbreeding puts dogs at risk of birth defects and genetically inherited health problems.

Particular dog breeds are believed to be prone to particular health problems and birth defects. For example, Dalmatian dogs are predisposed to deafness, many Boxer dogs have problems with heart disease, and disproportionate numbers of German Shepherd dogs have an abnormal developmentof the hip joints known as hip dysplasia.

Inbreeding in pedigree dogs arises because certain dogs, prized for exhibiting the characteristics desirable for that breed, are used to father many litters of puppies. When dogs from these litters come to be mated, some will be paired with dogs having the same father from other litters. Over generations, more and more dogs across a particular pedigree are related to one another and the chances of relatives mating increase.

German shepherd dogs are prone to an abnormal development of the hip joints
Recessive genetic variants only have adverse health effects such as deafness when an individual carries two defective copies of the gene. If a popular sire carries just one defective copy, he will not show the problem himself and nor will his puppies. However, the defect may become common in later generations if his grandpuppies and great grandpuppies are mated with each other, rather than introducing new genetic traits by breeding outside their relatives.

Although the problems associated with inbreeding have been known for many years, prior to the new study it had not been systematically measured. For this study, researchers from Imperial used mathematical modelling to analyse how dogs were related to one another within ten different dog breeds including the Boxer and Rough Collie.

They looked at the parentage of eight generations of dogs, using records collected from 1970 to the present day by the UK Kennel Club.

The researchers' analysis showed that, for example, Boxer dogs were so closely related to one another and had such little genetic variation between them that genetically, 20,000 dogs looked like a population of about 70. In the Rough Collie breed, 12,000 dogs looked in genetic terms like a population of about 50.

Such small effective population sizes mean that the chances of a dog breeding with a close relative, resulting in birth defects and genetically inherited health problems, are high. The researchers argue that those involved in breeding dogs should encourage breeding from a larger pool of potential mates in order to create greater genetic variation and lessen dogs' chances of inheriting genetic disorders. They suggest measures such as limiting how many times a popular dog can father litters; encouraging mating across national and continental boundaries; and relaxing breed rules to permit breeding outside the pedigree.

Professor David Balding, the corresponding author of the research from the Division of Epidemiology, Public Health and Primary Care at Imperial College London, said: "The idea that inbreeding causes health problems in particular dog breeds is not a new one, but we believe ours is the first scientific study to explore this issue and analyse the extent of inbreeding in a systematic way, across many breeds. We hope that following our work, dog breeders will make it a high priority to increase the genetic diversity within different breeds. Otherwise, we will see growing numbers of dogs born with serious genetically inherited health problems."

The researchers carried out their analysis as part of an effort to explore how understanding disease in dogs can help inform research into human disease. The research was funded by the Biotechnology and Biological Sciences Research Council.

So what are you saying.. no rottie in the UK should be used for breeding with any other rottie in the UK as they are so closely related?

Patch always did her bit of breeder bashing {in the past.. she has warmed slightly to us a bit more now} I never really minded.. because patch always took on the rescue dogs no one else could or would take.. but PW its a bit of a bitter pill to suck from you.. given you have the cream of the pedigree dogs from rescue in your home..

I guess that includes Boxers, according to PW all to closely related, and to small a gene pool...

Exactly, one wonders how someone who has such strong convictions against pedigree, would go against her own principles by rescuing them....

With so may Xbreeds in rescue, you would expect these would be the ones to be your first priority.

As shone says.... you preach one thing, and practice another!!!!!!!

i rember watching that, i think most problems stem from people trying to get the best dogs for shows by sometimes 'incest breeding' which works for looks, but the health problems are so big! im not sure what the law is about dog breeding but i needs to be changed to 110% ban incest breeding!

lol.. I dont think any decent breeder would want such a mating... I know when vinnie caught his mother... I had her up the vet for the jag....at the first poss change.. dirty vinnie..