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honeysmummy
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12-01-2010, 05:30 PM
Originally Posted by hayleybella View Post
Thats what I though Joedee, My OH has a friend that is always asking for advice then tells you how you are wrong and he is right, If you have no intention of following anyones advice then why ask the question anyway??

This gets my back up a bit, you ask for advice.. then have a go when people reply with what you don't like
Your Opening Post describes attack twice!!!!





You ask a question, post an inncident people will make an opinion based on what you have posted, there is no need to get all defensive with people who are making valid helpfull suggestions based on your portrayal of what happened!!

The answer to the bold part it is because Lozzibear is an attention seeker and judging by this thread she is doing a good job of it!!
I feel sorry for your dog to be honest.
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12-01-2010, 05:33 PM
Originally Posted by Jackbox View Post
The difference is quite obvious, Jake attacked you I am not sure how else we can say it..

Yes , we all have given example of our lot, closing their ears at times, ofcause it happens, but the big difference is yet again.... Jake attacked you twice






then why do you need to follow up a command every time with a smack




What was wrong is that he bit you, after he disobeyed you,




It is not common for a dog to attack his owner , when they disobey a command,





Poor boy his eyes looked very sore, and I am glad they are getting better, but you still need to take him to the vet to make sure the condition has cleared up completey.





Are now saying, he hardly attacked you, in most people's books, what you described is very much an attack






He lunged at you, went crazy and bit your face and arms... no one else has used those words, they are your words, so no one is exaggerating the situation, no we where not there, so are you now saying, what you wrote in your origanl post was not true??

lozzi, he is your dog , you must believe what ever you want, you came for advice, asked for help and it has been given in bucket loads , but you still refuse to see the severity of the situation.


I hope we dont have the misfortune of hearing a more serious account from you in the future concerning Jake.

Good luck, I am out of patience and exhausted from writing and reading this thread.
Err, when did Lozzi say that she followed up every command with a smack? come on now. There is constructive criticism and then there is putting words into someone else's mouth. Suggesting that she is smacking her dog after every command isn't helping her.
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12-01-2010, 05:58 PM
Originally Posted by Ramble View Post
Why does he NEED regular free running exercise? Many dogs get none and live fantastic lives. This dog has no recall...it is therefore dangerous to let him have offlead exercise. He doesn't NEED it. He NEEDS food and water and shelter..he NEEDS exercise...that exercise does not NEED to be offlead.
That's your opinion and it's obvous that you have a dog that you feel has to stay on lead all the time.

My opinion is that Jake as an individual dog NEEDS a bit of free running every day. Lozzi has already said he has been used to off lead running and he hasn't been getting any due to certain things such as the recent weather, and the fact that he hasn't been getting any MAY have contributed to his recent issues, amongst other things.

I do understand that he is a 10 month old adolescent dog of mixed demanding breeds and will no doubt be testing the boundaries just now to see just how far he can push his owner, as most do at that age.

However, in my opinion, the breeds he is crossed with need more than just on lead walks. They NEED free running.

And I'm in no doubt that a bit of daily free running will help him him relax more and probably help focus his mind on training and help his concentration when it comes to recall training other forms of obedience training. It will also help him to chill out in the house, I'm sure.

I also think Lozzi needs to get him outside to a park or somewhere with distractions, with him on a long lead and practice recall with him, every day. As well as finding somewhere suitable for him to just run, sniff and be a normal 10 month old dog.

I have an 8 year old Basenji x Border Collie, I know for sure that is what she is crossed with. I can tell you that even now, at her age, she would not be as happy as she could be or fulfilled if she didn't get a run every day. If I just walked her on lead every day, twice a day, I'm sure she would play up. She's a demanding dog and not for the fainthearted. She might be medium sized and cute, by boy does she push her luck at times. She loves nothing better than to run, chase her ball and play with other dogs. It would be cruel for me to keep her on a lead on every walk.

But then we are talking about Jake here and again, I believe Jake NEEDS a bit of free running every day and also the training that a 10 month old pup requires, both inside the house and out.

Lozzi,

You say you let him off when there are no other dogs about. I understand this, but you do realise you still have to keep his socialisation up, it's as important at this stage in his life now as much as it was when he was a young puppy. Can you meet up with other dog owners to that he can have a good play and run around with their dogs? That's also another thing he NEEDS at this stage, IMO.

Along with that he needs to learn recall. Invest in a long line and get out to the park with it and practice, practice, practice. It will pay off in the end. Call him, get him to come to you with the long line if he doesn't. Get him to then sit and give him loads of praise and a treat, then let him free on the long line again. Keep on doing this.

When it comes to him being off lead, DON'T put him on the first time he comes back. Let him go off, come back, praise and treat and let him go off again. If he gets put on the lead as soon as he comes back the first time, he'll get wise to that and will KNOW he's going to get put on the lead.

With regards to him wearing a collar in the house and the horror stories you have heard. Simple answer is when he's home alone take his collar off. When you are at home with him, keep his collar on. I think it would be beneficial if you kept his collar on while people are in the house with him.

Good luck, Lozzi. Be kind but firm, and be consistent.

Either he is allowed on the furniture or he is not, he can't and shouldn't be expected to differentiate between the beds in the house, IMO. Dogs don't really think like that.

His eyes look much better now, btw. Really good to see.

Anyway, I will stop rambling on now.

These are just my opinions, hope they are of some use to you. Keep strong!
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12-01-2010, 06:08 PM
Originally Posted by labradork View Post
Err, when did Lozzi say that she followed up every command with a smack? come on now. There is constructive criticism and then there is putting words into someone else's mouth. Suggesting that she is smacking her dog after every command isn't helping her.
I never suggested anything, it is here in b/w

Thanks, it wasn’t a smack. It was a tap, I do it all the time as way to let him know I want him to move
She smacks /taps him "ALL" the whci can be interpreted as "every time" if he does not listen . the wording my be mine, but the action is Lozzi`s
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12-01-2010, 06:12 PM
Originally Posted by honeysmummy View Post
The answer to the bold part it is because Lozzibear is an attention seeker and judging by this thread she is doing a good job of it!!
I feel sorry for your dog to be honest.
Sorry to disagree but I don't think there is any of this going on - I do think Lozzibear was shocked and worried. Anyone would be overwhelmed by this thread - and some are kinder than others when posting.
Although everyone is worried and concerned about both Jake and Lozzie, right?

I recall a similar thread when someone else wanted help a while ago and in the end people got cross with the OP but it doesn't help.I believe L. is going to accept some help from Shona which will be excellent


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12-01-2010, 06:19 PM
Originally Posted by Jackbox View Post
I never suggested anything, it is here in b/w



She smacks /taps him "ALL" the whci can be interpreted as "every time" if he does not listen . the wording my be mine, but the action is Lozzi`s
A tap isn't a smack.
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12-01-2010, 06:33 PM
Originally Posted by Wysiwyg View Post
Sorry to disagree but I don't think there is any of this going on - I do think Lozzibear was shocked and worried. Anyone would be overwhelmed by this thread - and some are kinder than others when posting.
Although everyone is worried and concerned about both Jake and Lozzie, right?

I recall a similar thread when someone else wanted help a while ago and in the end people got cross with the OP but it doesn't help.I believe L. is going to accept some help from Shona which will be excellent


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I didn't know this (must've missed it) but this is excellent! I'm sure Shona will be of great help to both Lozzi and Jake.
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12-01-2010, 06:39 PM
I think Lozzi just needs to sit back and look at all the help advice she has kindly been given, maybe it's overwhelming for her, I don't know, I'm no counsellor.

Maybe it's also because she's young (and quite possible, stubborn) that she isn't as open to the offers as some people may be, as well as the other personal issues she is battling with at the moment.

I'm sure, well I would hope, that being a dog forum we only have Jake's best interests at heart and want to help her overcome the issues she is having with her dog.
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12-01-2010, 06:40 PM
Originally Posted by labradork View Post
A tap isn't a smack.
Tap , smack, she still admits she does it all the time,

You said I suggested it, I did not, I commented on what she wrote!
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12-01-2010, 06:46 PM
Originally Posted by lozzibear View Post
Aligord – I dont put a collar on jake in the house for a number of reasons. It makes his fur go all funny and stick out at odd angles, and I have read stories of dogs who have been choked and strangled by their collars in the house, so I just prefer him to have it off. I will have a wee look at the house collars.
I think you can get dog ones that are designed to break if they catch on something (I know you can get cat ones). Oscar scratches lot cos of his allergies and his neck is one area that he scratches loads, so, in order for him to be tagged in case he gets out somehow (although I can't think how, but you never know) he has a very narrow (like about 1cm) wide webbing collar and he is fine with it.

I do think it would help, and it seems like you are finding ideas to help with your other problems. I hope you get on well. It's a steep learning curve with a first dog. Oscar is my first dog (my hubby has had guide dogs the whole time I've known him but I've never had my own) and I've learned so much.

Good luck! I hope you have recovered physically from Jake's bite too.
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