I used to work for our local Police as a member of support staff, and one of our dog handlers told me that sometimes they had to resort to beating the dogs with chains to try and make what potentially looked like it was going to make a really good police dog be aggressive enough. I was absolutely appalled, and he laughed. I don't know to this day whether he was joking or not, but personally I did not find it all funny, whether it was true or not.

That's interesting Wys. We had a dog here in the village who was a rottweiler crossed something else, collie I think it was, but i can't remember. He attacked Hal really badly, scalped him. It turned out the poor dog had a brain tumour. He was put down.

CM can never improve until he ditches the whole philosophy he has about the way dogs function and I can't see him doing this.
Sorry but I can't take seriously the people who say ''oh I used CMs methods and they worked for me '' but can't say exactly which methods specific to CM they used .

Being calm and confident with a dog and giving regular and frequent exercise (and for some of us who allow dog to stop and sniff mental stimulation too )are universal common sense training methods used by most trainers.

Asserting that dominance is the route of all problems/pulling a lead so tightly it is possible the supply of oxygen to the dogs brain is reduced so forcing a dog into submission/kicking a dog between the legs/ forcing a dog into submission by alpha rolling it /lifting a dog off its feet by its throat until its legs dangle are not normal methods of training for most civilised people who understand dogs but are all methods I have seen used by Cesar Milan .
Which of these methods do his followers here use?
(NB I can provide examples of the above)

I think I have hit this point as well...my head hurts from the brick wall it seems to keep running into.

I have not seen or heard of any changes is this mans methods which make me feel he is worth any of my time.

Hopefully more people will begin to see the light and he will be taken away from our screens - I live in hope.

Sorry, only just seen these posts (well the thread is very hard to keep up with!!)

Thanks for the reps guys. I think, in a way it's easier for me to see him for what he is now I've had first hand experience. We, like most thought his methods were the right ones. I never really loved nor hated him but did listen to his comments and thoughts.

I've never tried to copy any of them but I always had the ''dominance'' thing in my head because of him. Unfortunately this understanding lead to some potentially serious issues that could have been quite bad. Thank God we realised soon how wrong he is and how damaging his ideas can be.

Someone on here once said if you want to see the real CM watch his show with the sound off. I challenge any ''fan'' to do this and tell me they do not see utter fear in his ''patients''!!

I would love to see him with a really challenging dog and try to earn it's trust in him rather than scaring it into the dog!!

Never mind, I'll pop back later and try to catch up

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Thank you.

And absolutely appalling and abhorrent as it was, this incident was over ten years ago and police dog training has moved on greatly since that time - thank god!

I hope you reported him!

I didn't because I was so sure he had to be joking (funny ha ha, NOT). I don't work for them any more, not that that would have stopped me from reporting cruelty.