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Location: East Midlands, UK
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04-06-2009, 08:07 PM
Originally Posted by Promethean 
Like you I currently have 4 dogs who could very well decide to kill me and have a really good chance at doing so. These 3 intact males are not cream puffs and by Cesar's metric they do everything "dominant" dogs do and he would likely say that they are trying or have "taken over" As I've stated previously the are trained in protection sports with one of them doing real civil defense. Despite all of this, I've never employed any of Millan's punitive methods to train them, nor do I or my neighbours, other dogs experience any problems with them.
In Bark Magazine Dr. Nicholas Dodman tells this story about a research carried out by a grad student at tufts. Two groups of puppies one group was told:
Big surprise, the first group ended up with aggressive, possessive problem dogs. The second group taught the dog to sit for stuff had no problems. It's like Jean McConnell likes to say, bad behavior is the product of owners rewarding bad behavior.
If your dogs are likely to kill you Promethean, maybe you really do need Cesar's help !!
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Location: Cardiff, UK
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04-06-2009, 08:13 PM
Originally Posted by Gnasher
That's why there are paddling pools everywhere for the dogs to cool off in Mish
I so disagree about CM's body language
You would have expected nothing less, would you, from me !!
Well of course, maybe hes just "stiff" cos his ego is stuffed right up his own jacksey!!!!!
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Location: Back in Canada, finally!!!!!
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04-06-2009, 08:32 PM
Originally Posted by Gnasher
I couldn't get the NuNu clip to run ! But I remember NuNu so well because 1) he was the most odious little **** at the start, and 2) it was one of the very first CM's I had ever watched.
That dog is a classic example of a dog being "rewarded" by his owner for aggressive and dominant behaviour,
EDIT. Having seen the episode again with sound, I change my opinion. This dog was fearful from the start and Millan likely only suppressed the behavior.
"Nunu was nervous, by giving him affection is to nurture that nervous state of mind and from that point on he became the dominant one. So we had a dominant nervous leader."
He contradicts himself a few moments later by saying
"calm assertive leader becomes pack leader."
So how is Nunu a nervous pack leader? He makes no sense.
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Location: Back in Canada, finally!!!!!
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04-06-2009, 08:51 PM
Originally Posted by Mahooli
If he's so good why this classic mistake. Dog doesn't want to be touched so what does he do? Touch it from behind
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oS7n7Inb66g
Becky
ETA here's one involving a chihuahua
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGK6KMDOykw
dog is clearly terrified but no it's dominant. He pins the dog down with a finger under the collar but says he's not using force
he also lifts the dog up with his hand round it's neck and collar. The he says see he's given up, of course he has the poor animal is terrified.Becky
Millan missed them all.
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04-06-2009, 09:04 PM
Originally Posted by Gnasher
Because this "elderly pitbull" is very fit and healthy, and showing far too much interest in lethal snakes ! As we now know, Daddy et al are taken out into S California where snakes are prevalent and therefore the likelihood of death was extremely high.
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05-06-2009, 03:38 PM
Oh please....
It was the most bizarre tv I have had the misfortune to watch for a long time.
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05-06-2009, 03:41 PM
Originally Posted by Stumpywop
Weim1,
How have his methods helped you? Which of his methods do yo sue? We see so much on TV from him stringing dogs up and visibly makin them uncomfortable.
DO uyou use all of his work or do you pick certain pieces of his work and adapt them to suit your own situation?
Do you alpha roll your dog at all? If so, why?
The reason I ask is because I've seen this done naturally wth my own dogs and the submissive dog rolled voluntarily, without force from the bigger, older dog. (Just an example of why I think this one technique isn't advantageous to dog training).
Laura xx
my dog responded to the calm energy and the touch,the walk and the love when she was calm,she is happier and I am happier,she has MORE freedom as I can now trust her where I couldnt before,we continue to watch his show every week,and the change in her in just a month is noticed by all my friends.xxx
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05-06-2009, 03:48 PM
Originally Posted by weim1
I dont understand what you are saying with the stringing up,Ive never heard that word on his show or seen him do it,I have watched all his shows and not seen him make a dog uncomfortable Ive seen him deal with dogs that are already uncomfortable,hence why he was called in,also ive never heard him use the word "alpha roll"are you sure we are talking about the same show?/trainer
my dog responded to the calm energy and the touch,the walk and the love when she was calm,she is happier and I am happier,she has MORE freedom as I can now trust her where I couldnt before,we continue to watch his show every week,and the change in her in just a month is noticed by all my friends.xxx
Yes, CM is known for "alpha rolling" and "stringing up." However, I don't see it as the serious thing that some members see.
The alpha roll is simply CM rolling the dog on its back, as another dog would in certain situations.
The stringing up, as I see it, is when a dog is out of control (I believe CM refers to this as the red zone) and CM basically holds the dog in position via the use of a lead/leash, so as he is in control of the dog (I saw him do this once when a dog was basically about to attack him).
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05-06-2009, 03:49 PM
It wasn't. It was terrible and possibly the worst I'd ever seen!!! It actually really upset me to see it.
The guy is not en expert, he gets dogs to stop dong things by making it seem a bad experience for them and to listen to him by scaring them into it.
I cannot stand him and am never watching CM again!!