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View Poll Results: do you think 12 weeks is to young to neuter a puppy
yes 83 83.00%
no 12 12.00%
dont know 2 2.00%
sitting on the fence 3 3.00%
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31-10-2007, 07:38 PM
Originally Posted by AnneUK View Post
This opinion (of one vet) does not condem early neutering but is condemng neutering before a dog reaches sexual maturity at 18 months of age.
Sorry Anne, there was me thinking 12 weeks WAS before a dog reaches sexual maturity.

I think over 82% of people voting speaks for itself.
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31-10-2007, 07:43 PM
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I think over 82% of people voting speaks for itself.
Sadly I'm not surprised.

A know of a few vets that were also dubious at first. Here's an article educating other vets on early neutering
EARLY AGE NEUTERING: PERFECT FOR EVERY PRACTICE
By W. Marvin Mackie, DVM


In 1987, Leo L. Lieberman, D.V.M., authored an illuminating study entitled "A Case for Neutering Pups and Kittens at Two Months of Age." As background, he brought together information from the few individual practitioners and four humane shelters who were routinely neutering juveniles (3 to 5 months) and neophytes (8 to 12 weeks). His study was punctuated with references to 8 to 12 week old subjects, and was, for all practical purposes, the formal introduction to our profession of "Early Age Neutering". The term quickly came to mean any elective surgical sterilization on a dog or cat at less than the conventional age of six months or more.



[T]here are several indications that early age neutering is not a new concept, but rather, one that has not yet entered into the mainstream of our small animal practice. Early in this century, reference was made to the sutureless spay in two-month old pets. In 1950, my family's working farm pup was mail ordered and arrived spayed at three and a half months. However, while in veterinary school in the early 1960's I was taught that six to eight months was the appropriate age for spay/neuter surgery. Strangely, no studies to support this have been discovered.



When I first read Dr. Lieberman's article, I had no trouble with the concept of early age spay/neuter. Having grown up on an Idaho farm, the neutering of young farm animals was commonplace to me. I had witnessed first-hand the normal and healthy development of all types of farm animals neutered at a young age. This positive bias toward early age spay/neuter also stems from my concern regarding the pet overpopulation problem and the fact that my practice (four clinics) is limited to spay/neuter work. Early age spay/neuter has become vital to shelters, both public and private, rescue groups and foster care givers who embrace the neuter before adoption (NBA) policy in their efforts to help curb pet overpopulation. Since youngsters are far easier to place, early age neutering affords these agencies an advantage in their adoption efforts. Given a choice, an adoption client will choose the neutered pet over the un-neutered pet. Breeders, too, benefit from early age spay/neuter by neutering their non-breeding stock of young pups and kittens prior to selling them.


Progress in anesthesia over the last 20 years has blessed our profession with several incredible injectable compounds and two truly fine inhalant compounds. The injectables (Ketaset, Telazol. Rompum, Acepromazine, and Valium) can even be mixed for further enhancement of the perfect anesthetic plane for surgery. In lesser doses (considered pre-op levels), the injectables can be topped up with low levels of Halothane or Isoflourine. In 1994, a small, information publication by the Association of Animal Shelter Veterinarians published a listing of eleven different anesthesia protocols then being used. Most were in combinations and every combination was listed. Each has its devotees. It was clear to me that whatever protocol you are using for mildly invasive, short, well-animal surgery could and should be adapted for the more youthful juvenile or neophyte sterilization patient as well. It is more important that you be familiar and comfortable with your anesthesia/patient responses than to adapt to a colleague's protocol. Using your own protocol, simply dose back for your smallest patient.



The amazing tolerance of the pre-pubescents to anesthesia and the surgical procedure itself is best illustrated in the report of a study by Texas A & M wherein senior veterinary students, in a teaching environment, performed spay/neuters on 1,988 subjects ranging in age from eight weeks to over five months. The study was designed to report the short-term complications, i.e. complications experienced at surgery or those that developed within the next seven days. The incidence of complications was very low for all classes and technically the lowest for the less than 12 weeks of age group. This observations speaks well for itself. However, what really stands out is the length of time these teaching patients were under the anesthesia during prep and surgery. Rounding off for brevity, females were "in surgery" for 60 minutes +/- 23 minutes, males for 21 minutes +/- 17 minutes. This is an astonishingly long period of time! It certainly points out the youngsters' resilience and ability to tolerate the procedure. Since an expected surgical time is 10 to 20 minutes, this study should be extremely valuable as a confidence builder for the uneasy practitioner.



From the moment the Lieberman article was published, various studies and considerable posturing pro and con has been going on. My presentation is not designed to be a review of the studies, but rather a look at where we are now and what it means to you, the practitioner. To the surprise of most observers, including researchers, nothing has come to light that would suggest red flags necessitating a return to the six to eight month guideline. There were differences between the un-neutered and neutered subjects but not between those neutered at 7-weeks and those neutered at 7-months.



In an article in DVM Magazine, Dr. Johnny Hoskins, DVM, PhD, ACUIM, and author of Veterinary Pediatrics, referred to a legitimate list of concerns. He offered that there is "...no evidence in the literature to support claims that early age sterilization increases risk." Additionally, he states, "...the advantages far out-weigh the risks."



I know of six telephone surveys, all of which are quite close in results. About 85% of cats and 70% of dogs in pet owning households were reported as neutered (which sounds pretty good); however, in response to the question of whether female dogs and cats had litters before the spay, 20% of the owners said "Yes, one or more!"



I want to point out to you why early neutering is perfect for your practice. Those of us who are providing Neuter Before Adoption (NBA) for shelters and care groups are only accessing 10-15% of all newly acquired pets: 85-90% of the pets are acquired from other sources and, most likely, are un-neutered. Ideally, many of these pets will be coming to your hospital for their early health care. What makes early age spay/neuter so appropriate is that neutering can be scheduled as part of your well-care package. The plan is that the veterinarians and staff speak enthusiastically and with a presumed assumption that the presented pet will be getting its respective spay or castration with the last vaccination of the series. By then, these pets are totally known to you and are ready. In most cases, the surgery for dogs will take place with the rabies vaccination at four months. This works out nicely as one trip to your office includes the last vaccination, neuter, certificate of sterility and certificate of rabies. The neutered dog is then ready to license, which in most areas is at a reduced fee. Everyone wins! The surgery for cats will most likely be at three months. At my clinics, when a client calls regarding the best time to spay/neuter their three month or older cat/dog, we answer with, "Now is the perfect time." Most clients readily accept their veterinarian's confident recommendation of an early age spay/neuter.



What is so vital here is that the client come now rather than be delayed a few months. Pet owners have a busy home life, which equals procrastination and forgetfulness and before they know it, estrous has struck. Most clients are not prepared to understand the single mindedness of purpose and the degree to which their pet will go to effect a union. This quite often results in one of those 20% "oops" litters. House arrest is not an effective method of pet birth control.



With that we know now, we can help the client avoid this human procrastination trap, and we must, since the cost in client anxiety and pet overpopulation is so vital. The most recent position statement by the AVMA gives direction, importance and comfort to all involved.



The American Veterinary Medical Association in its Position on Early-Age (Prepubertal) Spay/Neuter of Dogs and Cats, approved by its Executive Board in April, 1999 "...Resolved, that the AVMA supports the concept of early (prepubertal, 8 to 16 weeks of age) gonadectomy in dogs and cats, in an effort to reduce the number of unwanted animals of these species. Just as for other veterinary procedures, veterinarians should use their best medical judgment in deciding at what age gonadectomy should be performed on individual animals."



So, we are now armed with the knowledge that there is a societal and client need to reduce the risk of accidental ("oops") litters by absolute prepubertal neutering. Also, we have the assurance of multiple studies providing evidence of development similar to the traditionally-aged patient. Without a doubt, it is time to thoughtfully bring early age neutering into your practice.



To all practitioners who first think of moving from six months to six weeks, the task can be a bit daunting. We seemingly have the perception that something so small and cuddly must also be delicate and therefore tolerate a minimal latitude for error. Quite the opposite, these furry little creatures are marvelously resilient and quickly recover from this relatively short procedure.



For the age grouping from four months and older for pups and three months and older for kittens, there are no special needs or concerns. You may use your established anesthetic protocol and general elective surgery instructions to the client.



In the pre-pubescent, the discoveries you will find in surgery, without exception, are:



Less bleeding
Excellent visualization
Elastic tissue for easy ligature placement
Everything in miniature and prepubescent; therefore, less stitching and less time is required.
Fewer drugs are required.
Quicker recoveries with less patient discomfort
Near zero complications
Less healing time

Delighted clients


This list is powerfully positive. I'd ask you to visualize a four-month-old Rottweiller female weighing approximately 40 pounds. Now visualize her at 14 to 16 months, full bodied and active and weighing about 90 pounds. The clients don't want her to go through another heat. Which would you rather spay today? A three-month old female kitten's uterine horn literally jumps into the spay hook. I hear the anguish from colleagues lamenting over fat and/or the estrous engorged uterus of a one-year-old queen. Waiting seems ill-considered when a 12-week surgery is within your recommendation.



No presentation about early age neutering would be complete without encouragement and discussion of the neophyte patient, i.e. 7 to 12 weeks of age. Not every practice needs to move into this special age group, however, there are organizations that need a few hospitals in their area that will provide this service. By way of example, in California, as of January 1, 2000, in counties of over 100,000 population, all shelters (public or private) and rescue groups must spay or neuter dogs and cats before adoption or collect a deposit of not less than $40. In addition, the medically delayed animal must be neutered within 30 days. If there are no veterinary clinics in an area willing to step forward for these clients, veterinarians collectively are going to get some bad press. Conversely, the hospital that steps up to neuter neophytes will most likely have a client for life, on-going work and revenue. Everyone else will be on the sidelines. This work is a great practice builder and a public relations winner.



Be mindful of the physiological and mechanical differences in the special needs for the neophytes but don't stress yourself out about them. These patients need some morning food; i.e. a small feeding, about 1/2 of normal, two to three hours before surgery. Their glycogen reserves need to be replenished frequently. Offer food again about one hour after surgery. Almost always, they will eat and what a great feeling that is to see! Keep the neophytes in a thermal neutral environment. Their large body surface area compared to their core weight makes them vulnerable to temperature extremes. Don't put the patient in a cold ward, on stainless steel, or in front of air conditioning ducts. A simple terry cloth towel on the prep and surgery tables is enough to prevent heat loss, and during recovery, cover with a light towel. Don't over-wet hair with cold prep solution (evaporation cools). These are just good housing practices, simple enough to accomplish without interruption to your routine.



There are several things to expect that you many not have experienced in surgeries of older pets. Since the neophyte's oxygen consumption is two to three times greater than adults, and their sympathetic nervous system is not well developed, the young patient compensates by increased (rapid) heart rates (200+ beats per minute) and respiratory rates (15 to 35 per minute). These are normal. I suggest that you get comfortable with kittens first (predictably easier). IN some female pups the uterus can be illusive: at worst, extend incision caudally, then reflect bladder in order to see it. Some pups will have a significant amount of abdominal fluid ( a normal transudate), not the bladder contents, which is often first surmised.



My intention is to encourage you to see how, by moving back your recommended age for neutering cats and dogs, you can be of help to yourselves, your patients, your clients (individuals, shelters, caregivers) and local communities. For those of you who wish addition information you can get a compilation of all works to date in the article by Lisa M. Howe, D.V.M, Ph.D, titled "Prepubertal Gonadectomy in Dogs and Cats", Parts 1 and 2. Compendium, February and March, 1999. This is a straight forward, "easy read" article and an excellent overview of early age spay/neuter past and present. The important thing is to believe in yourself and just get started!

References:




Lieberman, Leo, D.V.M., A Case for Neutering Pups and Kittens at Two Months of Age, JAVMA, Vol. 191:518-521, 1987.


Howe, Lisa M., D.V.M. Ph.D., Short-term Results and Complications of Prepubertal Gonadectomy in Cats and Dogs, JAVMA, Vol.211:57-62, 1997.


Hoskins, Johnny, D.V.M., Ph.D., Early-age Spay/Neuter Advantages Outweigh Risks, DVM Magazine, Nov. 1966.


Salmeri, K. R., D.V.M., et.al. Gonadectomy in Immature Dogs: Effects on..., JAVMA, Vol. 198:1193-1203, 1991.


Crenshaw, W.E., D.V.M., and Carter, C.N., M.S., D.V.M., Ph.D., Should Dogs in Animal Shelters Be Neutered Early?, Veterinary Medicine, Aug., 1995.


Texas House Bill 948 and Senate Bill 1259, Dog and Cat Sterilization Act, Austin, TX, 1991.


California Assembly Bill 1856, Vincent, Dogs and Cats: Overpopulation: Spaying and Neutering, Sacramento, CA, 1998.


W. Marvin Mackie, D.V.M.
Animal Birth Control Clinic (310) 547-4750 SPAYDVM@aol.com
450 Arcadia Drive San Pedro, CA 90731
http://www.animalpeoplenews.org/qs.htm
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31-10-2007, 07:54 PM
I really do think it depends on what studies you read. You will find studies that both support and are against early neutering.

I did a lot of research into this before I had mine done and I personally would never have a dog done at that age (even 6 months is too young for my liking). I prefer them to mature first.
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31-10-2007, 08:03 PM
As a breeder I wouldn't want to neuter or insist that the owners neuter any of the pups I sell. What happens if one of the pups you sell turns out to be a cracker and the new owenr is showing or working or whatever and wishes to breed and hence, hopefully, improve the breed?
I have heard of cases in the states where breeders have neutered their puppies but not told the purchaser!
I think breeders who routinely neuter everything that they don't keep (as a puppy) is being very short sighted.
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31-10-2007, 08:06 PM
Originally Posted by Greyhawk View Post
I really do think it depends on what studies you read. You will find studies that both support and are against early neutering.
The studies tend to be for and against neutering before or after sexual maturity approx 18mths, not debating early neutering i.e 7 weeks to 7 months.
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31-10-2007, 08:10 PM
Originally Posted by Mahooli View Post
As a breeder I wouldn't want to neuter or insist that the owners neuter any of the pups I sell. What happens if one of the pups you sell turns out to be a cracker and the new owenr is showing or working or whatever and wishes to breed and hence, hopefully, improve the breed?
I suppose it's what a breeder would consider more important; risk their pups adding to the unwanted dog crisis or risk their pups not being able to further the breed.
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31-10-2007, 08:14 PM
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The studies tend to be for and against neutering before or after sexual maturity approx 18mths, not debating early neutering i.e 7 weeks to 7 months.
I think you'll find there are several studies which focus on early neutering, not just before sexual maturity.
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31-10-2007, 08:22 PM
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I think you'll find there are several studies which focus on early neutering, not just before sexual maturity.
Would you mind posting some please, I'd be interested in reading them :smt001
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31-10-2007, 08:33 PM
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Would you mind posting some please, I'd be interested in reading them :smt001
You'll need to look in the vet journals - my PC crashed last November and I lost all my files Off the top of my head, Salmeri's study is one of them. A study was also done into early spay/neuter (<1 yr) in Golden Retrievers.
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31-10-2007, 08:40 PM
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Off the top of my head, Salmeri's study is one of them.
Tried googling it but nothing coming up If you come across it again would you mind letting me know please
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