I see your child care theories are in keeping with how you treat your dogs, then! Biting babies and kicking dogs doesn`t hurt....you. It does hurt the poor beggar on the receiving end.
Right, I`m off to feed the goats. All three of them.

In the instances we have used his methods its not been 'red zone' behaviour & hasn't warranted professional help. Most of his methods are simple & easy to follow, mostly changing your own behaviours to change the dogs. If I needed to deal with extreme behaviour I would seek help. Its not all about 'pinning down', 'kicking' & 'bullying' (as you call it) you know.

Please dont accuse me of abusing my dogs or children, I said quite clearly neither instance is hard enough to cause pain, just enough of a shock/sensation to say NO. I am not against a light slap on the back of a kids hand or a tap with a foot on a dogs back leg to let them know their behavoiur is not acceptable, I am against hitting, kicking, punching etc. I love all animals & children & do not tolerate abuse.

When I saw a dog recoil when shocked, I wonder what sensation it felt? A gentle tingling perhaps? If they didn't hurt, albeit for a very short time, they would have no effect!

So, & I'm sorry to go off topic slightly, but how would you suggest that you would stop an 18 month old child who insists on putting his/her little fingers into a live plug socket? Positive training? Sitting him/her down & explaining? Or a quick tap on the back of the hand? My point is, sometimes it's necessary for their own benefit or survival in some cases.

Buy those things that cover the holes up?
Or teach them!

My Mum never locked any cupboards, never hid any chemicals under the sink, never covered any plug sockets, or hid anything breakable.
We were just taught from an early age that were were not allowed to touch anything, or go in cupboards without asking.

But at least if you do smack a child, you can explain why to them, as they understand you.
The dog has no idea why it's getting a kick or a smack. It doesn't speak English (or whatever language)

its good to see you have moved on from this argument.

I don't believe I ever said it was , but you have highlighted one of the main problems with what happens, you saw the programme, broght the book and used the methods....when it specifically say to seek professional help before you do. Great that it worked for you.....however - it does not always, as myself and others are well aware, as we have to pick up the peices.

....and as others have mentioned the 'other stuff' he does, staying calm, rewarding good behaivour etc, are thing you will find any decent dog trainer has been doing for about 20 years +.

It is sad that you felt you had to 'put up' with your dogs bad behaviour for as long as you did , when many trainers out there would have helped you.

JD perhaps you could tell us what breed of dogs you have/did you have them and train them from puppies/what were the problems you needed to correct/what methods did you try to correct them /which of CM methods did you use which were successful ...

I am fairly shocked that you find it acceptable to use violent methods to teach children. I`ve been a tutor for over 30 years and trained dogs for over 40 years and never found a dog or a child I couldn`t teach with non-violent methods. Again, the fear and pain from a bite, slap or kick will not affect the person giving it, so you cannot be the one judging how painful it is. And the victims are voiceless.

try this link - it`s the opinions of people who have actually studied canine behaviour and know what they are talking about
http://www.coape.org/awsn.html