Hayley you have stated

Bull Breeds are more reliable with humans than a Collie or some other breeds! tested, proved and fact!

You say you would not single out a breed yet you have singled out collies as being less reliable with humans than bullbreeds when there is nothing concrete to back this up .

I did not ask about 'being wary', I asked Sal a hypothetical question, if she had children and heard a family was moving next door to her with an unsocialised dog, would she be more scared if it was a PBT than a collie or some other breed.
I also asked her to consider the fact that if a confrontational situation arose and the unsocialised dog became fearful / stressed, the 'freeze flight or fight' response would come into play and that some breeds/dogs would be more likely to run and some to fight. I personally would be more fearful of a powerful dog that had previously been bred to fight than say a Cavalier or a Springer for instance and I think many people would agree with me .

Hayley I can't believe if you were faced with an unsocialised dog in a confrontational situation that you would view each breed equally when one dog may belong to a breed with little prey drive / fighting instinct and would most likely flee, and another came from a breed with a high prey drive previously bred to fight.

Hayley,I note you still state in the signature on all your posts ..
does that mean you haven't changed your opinion and you are still against breeding out aggression in some breeds and wish to retain it, does this apply to PBTs also?

Bebe where is the ignorance? I have not seen any from those who state the PBTs can be more dangerous than other breeds in certain circumstances.

It is because we are sensible dog lovers that we question things and don't just accept everything we are told like a lot of sheep.

Sal, we must remember that the Pitbull is only in existence because of the sport of dog fighting. It is probably one of the most abused breeds and many of the dogs bred are destined for a short life of torture and violence. All because of the human need for entertainment.

It's not the dogs' fault that they have high within species aggression. They are just responding to their environment and expression of their genes in the only way they know how. The factors that control the aggression, namely breeding and environment, are almost entirely under human control.

It could be that in the USA there has been selective breeding to improve temperament, with enough of a sub population to reform the breed with less aggression. But I don't see this as a possibilty in the UK, where there is legislation against their ownership and where they are more likely to have been bred for the wrong reasons.

I don't think it sad at all if these poor, abused dogs no longer exist, and I don't mean they should be put to sleep for no valid reason, just that they should no longer be bred.

I feel the ignorance comes into play by anyone suggesting that pitbulls are dangerous. The title of the thread is "ARE PITBULLS DANGEROUS". I dont believe ANY one specific breed is dangerous. Its the owner of each individual dog thats potentially dangerous, so makes for a potentially dangerous dog. Nothing to do with breed.

If the title of the thread asked "Are Pitbulls capable of possibly causing more damage than other dogs, in the event that they bite", then obviously the answer is yes, IF they bite, which they rarely do. But the question posed "Are Pitbulls dangerous?", and surely theres only one answer. NO.

Is the Pitbull is only in existence because of the sport of dog fighting, like pod has said


During the mid-1800s, immigration to the United States from Ireland and England brought an influx of these dogs to America, mainly to Boston, where they were bred to be larger and stockier, working as farm dogs in the West as much as fighting dogs in the cities. The resulting breed, also called the American Pit Bull Terrier, became known as an "all-American" dog. Pit bull type dogs became popular as family pets for citizens who were not involved in dog-fighting or farming. In the early 1900s they began to appear in films, one of the more famous examples being Pete the Pup from the Our Gang shorts (later known as The Little Rascals).

During World War I the breed's widespread popularity led to its being featured on pro-American propaganda posters.

I don't think so


Huntsville, Alabama police raided a dog-fighting arena on Feb 28, 2002 and seized 10 Pit Bulls. The city's attempt to legally euthanize four pit bull puppies, never trained to fight, was stopped by Madison County Circuit Court Judge Joe Battle, who ruled that the pit bull puppies were not dangerous by virtue of their genetics alone (AP Wire; Apr 6, 2002).

Huntsville appealed to the Alabama Supreme Court, which affirmed (City of Huntsville v. Sheila Tack et al., 1010459, S.C. Alabama; Aug 30, 2002) the Circuit Court opinion by a 6-2 vote; the written dissent addressed procedural matters of legal status of the parties, not the nature of the dogs. The puppies were adopted.

Minihaha, Im having to defend a breed that is in danger more than most breeds to a global mod on a big forum world wide. If i get heated, passionate its because i love this breed and do not want to see anymore damage come to it, if i dont follow the rules or guidelines to this forum, then Mods/Admin/Members im very sorry, but my love and passion for Bull breeds will not be pushed aside to rules and I wont sit by and allow people to discriminate and damage the breed any further than it has already, Just like i wouldnt sit back if there was a racist attack on this forum and go oh i better no saying anything due to rules, I have not personally attacked you, nor have i swore or been rude too you, im simply defending myself agaisnt you, and more importantly defending a fantastic canine god of all breeds which has bad press and many killed for no reason but looks.
My fight for Bull Breeds does not just happen on Dogsey, but off the internet and on other forums.
There is no human aggression minihaha in the pit bull so there is no need to breed this out. Just because I voice what i believe to be correct, Im not the only person on this forum or or stafford owner who believe like I do, but i will speak my honest mind. In the Stafford and Pit Bull there is no human aggression, if so then i its not true to its spirit and therefor should be pts. I dont want have a a stafford that is not true to its correct spirit. Its up to us owners to understand, control and respect it.
So lets try not to get off topic Minihaha and get back to Pitbulls.

Pitbulls are not a dangerous breed of dog, they can be dangerous compared to a smaller less powerful breeds, but no more dangerous than a large, equally or more powerful breed.

I wasn't going to post again in this thread, but I will, I'm not going to sit and slate the Pit Bull, Stafford or any other Bully breed, all I know to be true is when they do 'snap' they inflict terrible damage more so than any other breed of dog, I'm not going to state that they are dangerous, in the right home with the right people they make perfect loyal, faithful pets. I get soooo frustrated with people who choose these breeds without knowing an awful lot about them.
I would even go as far as stating that any Bully or Mastiff breed is not a breed for everyone, yes they look awfully nice as puppies infact many of the larger breeds with heavy wrinkle look so cute when they are young (herein more than likely lies the problem) people have to see past this and look at the bigger picture because a lot of the Bully and Mastiff breeds are specialist, not dangerous, just specialist, every one of them is unique, has different traits and every one of these breeds needs a certain type of owner/handler some need to be more experienced than others, some breeds really are not for the first timer. But I do understand that everyone has to start somewhere if they choose a dog as a pet.
I think the best possible thing that could happen for the Pit Bull in the UK is to stay on that ban list (I'm probably going to get slated for that, but I really don't care) it's already a victim of it's own success the torture these dogs suffer is appauling and it needs to be stamped out worldwide, not the dogs, just the suffering for them and until that suffering is eradicated there is no future for the Pit Bull

And that's what I tried to say at the beginning. The breed is better off banned here to prevent the terrible abuse it goes through.
Becky

If there were no more pit bulls in the UK or even the world lets say the become extinct, the vile people who enjoy dog fighting would choose another breed would we then ban that one.

You have to remember that the PB's predisposition to fight other dogs due to it's breeding is what attracts these people. Some people have tried other breeds in the pit and they just haven't been successful even staffys have been rejected. I really don't think it will be that much of a problem. There will still be the idiots who have no control over their dogs but I feel the fighting will diminish considerably.
Becky