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10-06-2008, 02:17 PM
Originally Posted by Shona 
But does that make me bad as I pay a yearly subscription and have an add running for a Planned litter? its not a free adds site its a breeders site,, but if im not selling pups solely by word of mouth is that a bad thing?
I got into Mal "circles" and quickly pegged the breeders I wanted to ask..NONE of them advertised as they didn't have to.. They have lists running all the time as their dogs are highly sought after..Don't think its anything to do with showing its all about reputation..
Temprement is a big thing to me and this is what I looked for more than anything..I got to know who breeds excellent temp dogs..and thats what led me to the breeders I wanted..
Maybe you should have your own website and advertise your litters on there..that way if people want a pup they will find it..
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10-06-2008, 03:12 PM
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10-06-2008, 03:14 PM
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10-06-2008, 03:17 PM
Originally Posted by Malady
I wouldn't say the KC has an ethical advertising system. They allow anyone to advertise a litter on their without any health testing and some very unethical breeders are even on the Accredited breeders scheme !
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10-06-2008, 03:25 PM
Originally Posted by morganstar
You bet me too it, as long as you pay your £15.00 the KC will advertise your litter. Unlike on other sites you dont have to put the parents or the ped down and they dont ask if your carry out the relevent checks. The only policing they do is refuse to register more than 4 litters PER BREED per year.
Well thats a start dont you think, We all know the kc has many faults..but at least it helps stop the over breeding of bitches... by only registering a given amount..I know to an unethical breeder , they will still get round these rules...people always will...not registering all litters, falsifying papers, and so on.
I would still rather go to the kc site, and others of such ilk, (breders own sites) than go to a free add paper, on line or off.
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10-06-2008, 03:33 PM
Originally Posted by Jackbox
Well thats a start dont you think, We all know the kc has many faults..but at least it helps stop the over breeding of bitches... by only registering a given amount..I know to an unethical breeder , they will still get round these rules...people always will...not registering all litters, falsifying papers, and so on.
I would still rather go to the kc site, and others of such ilk, (breders own sites) than go to a free add paper, on line or off.
But ot be honest there should be some thing set up by the kennel club to ensure that falsifying of papers dont happen it is just making a mockery of us who do it right.
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10-06-2008, 03:37 PM
Many good breed clubs have a list of breeders who sign up to 'a code of ethics' which includes health testing all stock . They usually have a list of approved breeders and those with recent litters too.
This is the MSCGB code of ethics
2. Members will not allow any of their dogs to roam at large or to cause a nuisance to neighbours or those carrying out official duties.
3. Members will ensure that their dogs shall wear properly tagged collars and shall be kept fully leashed or under effective control when away from home.
4. Members will clean up after their dogs in public places or anywhere their dogs are being exhibited.
5. Members will agree without reservation that any Veterinary Surgeon operating on any of their dogs, which alters the natural conformation of the animal, may report such operations to the Kennel Club.
6. Members agree not to breed from a bitch which is in any way deleterious to the bitch of the breed.
7. Members agree only to sell puppies and old dogs where there is a reasonable expectation of a happy and healthy life and will help with the re-homing of a dog if the initial circumstances change.
8. Members will provide written details of all dietary requirements and give guidance concerning responsible ownership when placing dogs in a new home.
9. Members will not sell any dog to commercial dog wholesalers, retail pet dealers or indirectly allow dogs to be given as a prize or donation in a competition of any kind.
10. Members will not knowingly misrepresent the characteristics of the breed nor falsely advertise dogs nor mislead any person regarding the quality of the dog.
11. Members will ensure that all relevant Kennel Club documents are provided when selling or transferring a dog including a copy of this code.
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12. Members will submit breeding stock to the KC/BVA Eye Scheme for screening and will make available copies of the relevant documents to purchasers of their stock.
Good breeders rarely breed but will usually know exactly who has or is expecting a litter and will be happy to help with a puppy search if they think you will make a suitable owner. They don't use free ads..
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10-06-2008, 03:39 PM
The first people met Ebony but she took a dislike to their pup for some reason. The second lady is meeting with Giddy next week, I'm driving him over to Wales to meet her and see where he will be living before I decide anything, and obviously she will want to check us out too.
I don't see a problem with advertising as long as you check the people out as you would if they contacted you to be on a list for a pup. I do think that something should be done about those people that persistantly advertise pups and older stock that has been bred without health checks and purely for financial gain.
Equally, hopefully potential owners will see ethical breeders mentioning health tests etc and realise that they should be asking certain questions.
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10-06-2008, 03:43 PM
Many good breed clubs have a list of breeders who sign up to 'a code of ethics' which includes health testing all stock . They usually have a list of approved breeders and those with recent litters too.
This is the MSCGB code of ethics
When I was puppy hunting recently, (having already spoken to many well known breeders and checked the breed club approved breeders list then cross referenced it with the KC approved list also just to see what people were up to . ) I had a good look at the free ads just to be sure none of them were advertising on there. (It's a good way of checking who to avoid )
So in your opinion us of us that do eg myself and Morganstar should be avoided.
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10-06-2008, 03:45 PM
Originally Posted by Jackbox
Well thats a start dont you think, We all know the kc has many faults..but at least it helps stop the over breeding of bitches... by only registering a given amount..I know to an unethical breeder , they will still get round these rules...people always will...not registering all litters, falsifying papers, and so on.
I would still rather go to the kc site, and others of such ilk, (breders own sites) than go to a free add paper, on line or off.