anyway Balance is the true key to a nice stafford, My Quinn and Bessie are very balanced, from foot to elbow, to elbow to shoulder, from muzzle to head length, from back end to front end, all in balance. Borris is too, but he is not a full stafford

[QUOTE=leadstaffs;978196]He most likely is but I also live in Merseyside and he did not go out of the house for a couple of weeks.
Oscar 18" is the black and white one

he is very handsome! a very good looking staffie the other 2 are sweet as well

Thats what I was trying to say hayley

I have nothing wrong with a well breed taller stafford, aslong as they are bred to standard.
If seren made 17" it wouldn't bother me.
I hate to see tall 'staffords' that have no form of muscle or a good stance, you can't call a skinny leggy stafford a stafford

Leadstaffs,Your dogs are stunning :smt049

[I also hate too see breeders aim for exaggeration which does happen and it only happens in the show ring,


I can agree with some of the things you say but the above quote is not true. exaggeration can be found in many places and to be honest not seen very often in the show ring in the winning lineup.

Thankyou the little one in the bed with Oscar is only about six months old. No exaggerations and went into the show ring.
The cat keps them all in place

Couldnt agree more

Chance will be a big staff, as he is already 16 and a half inches at 26 weeks

wow this thread has come on since i went to puppy raining earlier LOL

kristian sorry to be offtopic but is the pup in your avatar a Smallford pup? sorry she just looks the double of mine LOL

to be hoonest i think the more dangerous aspect in staffie breeding - is how many people do it willy nilly - its a sad fact that there are LOADS of staffies in rescue - overflowing in most cases and yet they are still continously getting bred - and in many respects -badly.

old standard or new standard doesnt really matter to me - what is worse and more "dangerous" is the amount and the quality of the dogs that are bred from and many in my opinion just shouldnt be.

My rescue stafford is around 18" and is a muscular dog and i always get "comments" about him - good and bad.

it the people that are "breeding the dogs" not the dogs themselves that are being dangerous

If the breeding is being doen to the 'original standard' and that includes encouraging dog aggressionin the breed, then yes it is dangerous.If it is merely that people are breeding for height then no,it isn't dangerous, but as people have sadly alrweady discovered it could be problematic if they becoem classed as 'type'.