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27-05-2010, 03:33 PM
Originally Posted by lozzibear View Post
good posts you three.

i think another point to remember is that, especially in the US, people often use them to guard a property and they are often chained up with next to no socialisation. a dog who lives life chained, is 3 times more likely to attack. while some are treated badly, there are many who live life happily in a family environment with no issues. ive even seen footage of dogs used for fighting, who are giving loads of love to the people rescuing them. that to me speaks volumes.
As they are here, they are used as weapons , which makes them extremely dangerous ,
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27-05-2010, 03:33 PM
arnt pits meant to be bred for their good behaviour around people? dog fighting pits never attack their owners, they are able to go in and grab their dog without being attacked. im not saying in any way at all that fighting is good, i think its horrible!!!!

i think its how you bring them up and how well they are exercised ect...
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27-05-2010, 03:39 PM
Positive press:

http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/pospress.html

http://www.understand-a-bull.com/Art...itivepress.htm



All dogs bite, regardless of breed. Here are some of the recent dog bites NOT by pit bulls.

http://www.understand-a-bull.com/Art...llDogsBite.htm
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27-05-2010, 03:42 PM
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There AREN'T that many. First of all, pit bulls are incredibly popular here. Just on my block alone there are 4 full pits and one pit mix. Our shelter is full of them. I meet them out on walks all the time. The dog park is full of them. I see more pits in my area than I do labs.

The news media is notorious for ONLY reporting pit attacks and for calling dogs who they aren't even sure of breed or breed mix as pits (and sometimes calling any stockier dog pit bulls). There was one horrible case where a woman was attacked and killed by a pair of large dogs in an elevator. The media called them pit bulls. They weren't. They were Presa Canarios. The media never retracted the statements and so most people still think they were pit bulls. I've seen boxers, lab mixes, bulldogs, and other short-haired dogs called pit bulls and pit mixes. It sells papers. Not that long ago every bad dog was a Rottweiler or a Doberman or a GSD.

The media also never states the reality of the dog's living situation. Every dog is a "family pet" even if it's used for fighting, chained out back, tied up in the basement and starved. The media is less than truthful in its reporting and so people get a very skewed idea of reality.

The truth is a very very SMALL amount of pit bulls attack or kill anyone. A small amount of dogs in general attack or kill anyone every year. I'd like to see a counter site with pit bull positive news, like the pit who saved a woman from being kidnapped and assaulted or the one who took a bullet shot saving his family from an armed robber.

But those rarely get reported and don't get focused on.

That site you linked to is nothing more than a scare tactic. I wonder if the people know they're using their pictures.
good post, i agree. i think i know what attack you are talking about too, there was a programme on about it (or one very similar).

Originally Posted by Jackbox View Post
As they are here, they are used as weapons , which makes them extremely dangerous ,
yeah they are, and it is becoming more common. but whos fault is it? the dogs or the idiotic owners?

Originally Posted by airedaleowner View Post
arnt pits meant to be bred for their good behaviour around people? dog fighting pits never attack their owners, they are able to go in and grab their dog without being attacked. im not saying in any way at all that fighting is good, i think its horrible!!!!

i think its how you bring them up and how well they are exercised ect...
yep, you are right. pits were bred specifically to not have human aggression, coz like you say, the sick owners who fight them need to be in the ring with them and seperate them. its amazing they can when the dogs are so pumped up with adrenaline.

they also make great assistance dogs for people in wheelchairs etc as they have a high pain threshold therefore if they get knocked or anything by the wheelchair they dont react to the pain.
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27-05-2010, 03:42 PM
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There AREN'T that many. First of all, pit bulls are incredibly popular here. Just on my block alone there are 4 full pits and one pit mix. Our shelter is full of them. I meet them out on walks all the time. The dog park is full of them. I see more pits in my area than I do labs.

The news media is notorious for ONLY reporting pit attacks and for calling dogs who they aren't even sure of breed or breed mix as pits (and sometimes calling any stockier dog pit bulls). There was one horrible case where a woman was attacked and killed by a pair of large dogs in an elevator. The media called them pit bulls. They weren't. They were Presa Canarios. The media never retracted the statements and so most people still think they were pit bulls. I've seen boxers, lab mixes, bulldogs, and other short-haired dogs called pit bulls and pit mixes. It sells papers. Not that long ago every bad dog was a Rottweiler or a Doberman or a GSD.

The media also never states the reality of the dog's living situation. Every dog is a "family pet" even if it's used for fighting, chained out back, tied up in the basement and starved. The media is less than truthful in its reporting and so people get a very skewed idea of reality.

The truth is a very very SMALL amount of pit bulls attack or kill anyone. A small amount of dogs in general attack or kill anyone every year. I'd like to see a counter site with pit bull positive news, like the pit who saved a woman from being kidnapped and assaulted or the one who took a bullet shot saving his family from an armed robber.

But those rarely get reported and don't get focused on.

That site you linked to is nothing more than a scare tactic. I wonder if the people know they're using their pictures.

I have found all the Pits I have met so far, to be goofy clowns,who adore people, the first one my kids played with in the dog park,I didn't tell them till afterwards what it was, so they would behave normally .
They seem a very popular pet here, and most people seem to love them. I have found people more wary of one of my dogs,because he looks very GSD, and they don't seem to be such a popular pet here more of guard dog.
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27-05-2010, 03:48 PM
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I have found all the Pits I have met so far, to be goofy clowns,who adore people, the first one my kids played with in the dog park,I didn't tell them till afterwards what it was, so they would behave normally .
They seem a very popular pet here, and most people seem to love them. I have found people more wary of one of my dogs,because he looks very GSD, and they don't seem to be such a popular pet here more of guard dog.
That's been my experience with them too. We just met another one, a new one to our area, a rescue who is about 5 years old. I squatted down to meet her and had my face covered in kisses. That's pretty much been my experience with every pit I've met (and every Rottweiler I've met too, now that I think of it).

I think there's still a quiet stigma about GSDs. They're seen as tough guard dogs. They have a sort of intense movement that the more goofy, smaller pits don't have. And you still see them shown on TV and in movies as police dogs chasing and stopping criminals. People aren't as vocal about GSDs because of their police work, but I find a lot of people nervous around them probably BECAUSE of that.

The hue and cry of "Kill all the pit bulls!" just disgusts me. It should be "Kill all the bad owners who cause these bites!" Any dog, if neglected and abused has the chance of biting and killing someone.
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27-05-2010, 03:49 PM
I see pride of place is given to the Clifton Report. Lol.

(Crediblity takes a dip after that)

America is has a huge population and suffers over 300,000 dog bites severe enough to require hospitalisation every year. It would not be difficult to compile a similar list for many other breeds (particularly if, as this site does, we include attacks on cats and other animals).

Add to that the fact that the term 'pit bull' is used in parts of America to describe several different breeds, the lack of consistent standards of data collection and the total abscence of balance marks this out as bona-fide, mouth-frothing propaganda.

The use of links like this to bolster its message is just...well. Surprised you fell for it, Borderdawn.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/7751607.html
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27-05-2010, 03:54 PM
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http://www.katu.com/news/local/7751607.html
Wow they used THAT as an example of pit bull aggression? That was an accident. A horrible accident, but nothing more. And of course the dog is not dangerous! *headdesk*

I'm disappointed that the parents returned the dog to the shelter.
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27-05-2010, 03:57 PM
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Wow they used THAT as an example of pit bull aggression? That was an accident. A horrible accident, but nothing more. And of course the dog is not dangerous! *headdesk*

I'm disappointed that the parents returned the dog to the shelter.
The media will use anything to fuel anti pitbull feeling. Poor dogs just have to look at someone and they're obviously about to attack.
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27-05-2010, 03:59 PM
Originally Posted by lilypup View Post
The media will use anything to fuel anti pitbull feeling. Poor dogs just have to look at someone and they're obviously about to attack.
Sad but true. We have a new couple in our neighborhood who have a lovely pit they just recent adopted (rescued from the Tennessee floods that affected shelters down there). When there dog was stretching to meet ours and ours was stretching to meet theirs and we were hesitant at first they thought it was because their dog was a pit. Sad. It wasn't...I just wanted to make sure their dog did like other dogs and that Dahlia wouldn't overwhelm her!

I almost feel bad for people who DO adopt pits because of the stigma.
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