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Billy1111
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03-06-2009, 10:29 PM
Originally Posted by leo View Post
Billy
I would just like to welcome you to the board..... from another owner of 2 leos.
Hey there Leo , leo aren't they great , love em ,do you show? i haven't been forages but we won richmond 2006 best puppy in breed with our norbs , bless him and our baby of the bunch aslan is absolutely gorgoues , he really is adorable and hopefully we may show him next year. That is if we can take them way from there bog lovin don't know do you think its fair ???

Please em , can a leporad change there spots , still wouldn't have it any other way
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03-06-2009, 10:31 PM
Originally Posted by Lucky Star View Post
Here's a link to a thread about homeopathy:

http://www.dogsey.com/showthread.php...ight=homepathy

And here's a link to the website of a vet who specialises in natural medicines:

http://www.naturalmedicinecentre.co.uk/
hey thanks fot the links love the william davis quote .Thanks for being so hospitable hope you have a great evening xx
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04-06-2009, 08:56 AM
Originally Posted by ClaireandDaisy View Post
I googled you to find out what methods you use and came across this on your website-

Our consultations are very hands on and Billy will rehabilitate unwanted behaviour by firstly establishing pack leadership and then by using a variety of techniques observing your canines body language, and using his techniques appropriately according to your canines behavior.
Billy is self taught and he offers the vast 34 years experience and knowledge he has gained from raw experiences and interaction with canines making him a formidable and capable Alpha Male


I don`t believe in Alpha Male theory, would deeply resent anyone being `hands-on` with my dog and at the very least would require some qualifications from a behaviourist.
So I won`t be coming.
Hi Claire and daisy , It occured to me last night , that alot of the comments i recieved on here was down to you .
So i hope you don't mind me asking?
Do you google everyone on here?
what then gave you the right to go and quote my website?
I was trying to offer what could have been a very beneficial walking service for owners and there dogs, so why try and make it an impossible task ,and make it seem as though i am an abhorent person?
Do you lke starting arguments?
Thanks for you time xx
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04-06-2009, 09:00 AM
Originally Posted by JoedeeUK View Post
I've rehabilitated 100s of GSDs over the last 40+ years-never been bitten & some of the dogs have been on death row for their behavioural problems & some have been so badly treated they have retreated into bite first everything else afterwards.

Never done the"Alpha Male(actually it should be "Alpha Female"if it actually existed)domination nor infact any form of coercion.

Don't claim to be a behaviourizt, I'm not "hands on"in the physical sense & I've had a"group"of 11 GSDs(not a "pack"as they were not all directly related)all living indoors together without any problems(Entire Males & Females-including two active stud dogs). I currently have 6 dogs(five entire males & one entire female)all living together without me having to be Alpha anything.

Way too many people set themselves as the trainer of last resort & brag of how many times they have been bitten yet "cured the dog", no decent dog trainer would put themselves in the position of being such a threat to a dog that they get bitten.
Sorry also forgot to mention , don't set myself as a last resort trainer , don't big claims am not big headed and do not get territoral.
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04-06-2009, 09:20 AM
Originally Posted by Billy1111 View Post
Hi Claire and daisy , It occured to me last night , that alot of the comments i recieved on here was down to you .
So i hope you don't mind me asking?
Do you google everyone on here?
what then gave you the right to go and quote my website?
I was trying to offer what could have been a very beneficial walking service for owners and there dogs, so why try and make it an impossible task ,and make it seem as though i am an abhorent person?
Do you lke starting arguments?
Thanks for you time xx
Oh, come on now billy with an opening statement like

Come and meet behaviourist Billy ,the renowned "Dog Master and his two leos
clearly people will be curious, they will look up the renowned "dog master" thats the beauty of the net..

On a recent training thread on this forum, someone told someone else to google me {so clearly they had tried googling and got hits, got my details so new it would work}

I didnt take it as an insult, or offensive,
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04-06-2009, 10:13 AM
Hi again to all, i have taken some to consider the comments i had on here , especially those about , "not believing in Alpha"

So those who said this, actually behaved in a alpha mannerism , Firstly Claire's and Daisy who took upon there selves to search (google me ??) and then quote from my web site ???.

Remember my original post all i was trying to do was promote a free service for the enjoyment of others.
After which several others added there comments,making there selves known and how alpha was a bad word and hands on bla bla bla, (pack mentality) following suit of the original.

Alpha(in the human sense) is someone who likes to control a situation, and feels that it is the best interest of others to share there knowledge,pack survival.

I did not post my web site details on here , in fact Claire took this upon herself.to do this to share her knowledge , to invoke your wrath.

You all behaved like a pack of wolves hungry for prey . Minus a few exceptions.

We see Alpha in the playground (bullies) taking control of a situation and dominating people by doing this.
We see alpha in the work force ,(bosses)
We see alpha in some of worlds greatest leaders???

We see alpha in the classroom, where ver you look you will some form of alpha.

Alpha is predominately in a horse herd , elephant herd e.t.c. e.t.c.in herding animals.
example if a bunch on people got chucked on a desert island , you need someone to become alpha , to form structure , to keep calm .

Only people use alpha wrongly , and use it for there own gain , going back to the bullies in the playground.It is only our desire to use it to dominate.



So all those who don't believe in alpha i assume wont be voting.???.


As i said it is peoples interpretation of alpha that is wrong, people will use alpha to there advantage ,
not animals there is a BIG DIFFERENCE , there is not desire to dominant , alpha is chosen as a choice , someone of something that can help survival , animals use there inner sense , there ability to read one another.

The human race lost this basic and i would say essential function many moons ago.the ability to communicate , feel and understand without speaking.

Alpha is a term , when used correctly which means leader , healer , someone who can help without pressurising a situation .Someone you will follow , without hesitation , because you believe they can help , your inner senses tell you so.( i am not referring to any thing in particular)
Alpha can help a dog move forward , from the situation it is in ,because the dog wants too.The dogs choice.

By using encouragement, positive energy and a type of alpha and animal type of alpha.
Helping the dog realise, yes you can move forward , or you don't need to hold to that fear i am here to watch and help you move forward.
The best alphas i see today are mums and there children they use encouragement , to help there children when they are afraid.
We can all quote dictionaries , and human interpretation till the cows come home ,the truth is ,alpha is an essential part of all life, it what and helps us survive.
People need dominating or chaos would rein supreme, without it our society would collapse

Animals need alpha too (not our alpha there alpha) , it is a structure system , built over decades and put to the best use.
Domesticated dogs do look at life with there family as a pack , a good owner will understands this ,A dog needs love , encouragement , it needs to be able to communicate with you , you need to understand , you need respect from your dog.
And dogs require rules and boundaries
I interpret alpha in my way, in a very basic form i don't over Analise it and it has been effective for me.
I use it my way.
Domination and alpha are two completely seperate things .
It is peoples nature need to dominate, to be in control .To be respected ,this is not how alpha should be used it is how people use it.
I use it in its purest form. Now i know you will all probably want to quote text books at this post have fun , i know most of the trainers on here are far more intellectually qualified then me , so go for it have fun.
I really am starting to wish i had never posted in this forum, My passion runs away with me sometimes , and i have learnt a very valuable lesson from you all.
I can also give a very good example of hands on here . I get a call from an owner who dog had bitten men , she had already called out a qualified behviourist, who charged a rather large sum of money and wrote an essay on the subject.Can i ask here , after behaviourists leave why are they then so unwilling to return and follow up there appointments. Your jobs are about healing dogs .and helping then become balanced once more?

So the dog bites men , and has an issue with workmen , postmen e.t.c . It is anti social towards other dogs.Dog only nips ankles.owner has long drive

Behaviourist advice was to place fencing around the gate on grassed area and place flexi lead on dog , and ????

I have sorted this dogs problem in an day,it was easy. by positively introducing him to the stimulus that set him off, and then offering him an alternative mind set.
Also another favourite of mine has to be , when a dog is afraid on a man , introduce to as many men as possible and ask the men to give treats??
Again if a dog is in a scared mind set .yes, some may take the treat , but you are rewarding frightened behaviour.??
Shouldn't this technique be , for fear (not fear aggression , before you rip me apart for this)
man introduces his self , offers treat , and continues to give dog affection , again offers another treat .
Then takes third treat and plays with dog , like hide the treat so you are stimulating a challenge for the dog, the dogs mind set moves forward and the dog gains from this experience.
Hands on means,yes i get involved ,no i don't cause the dog any mental scaring.I use my time not talking getting involved with the dog .
Oh and i got bit , because the dog felt he/she was not ready to make the step , i was asking .Not asking in a mean way , or dominant way she/he was just saying not yet.
About five minutes later,we had moved on , together and the results were outstanding , the dog was happy , calm and very pleased to rid of the tension and mind set that was causing him her discomforted.


NOW COULD SOMEONE BE KIND ENOUGH TO HELP ME GET OFF THIS SITE
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04-06-2009, 10:19 AM
Originally Posted by Billy1111 View Post
Hi Claire and daisy , It occured to me last night , that alot of the comments i recieved on here was down to you .
So i hope you don't mind me asking?
Do you google everyone on here?


no - just ones who I`m curious about. I wondered why anyone would be giving us a free service, bearing in mind it would cost a lot to manage, insure etc.
what then gave you the right to go and quote my website?

I attributed the quote. It is in the public domain. Why are you sensitive about it?

I was trying to offer what could have been a very beneficial walking service for owners and there dogs, so why try and make it an impossible task ,and make it seem as though i am an abhorent person?

Not impossible. Just because I`m not going doesn`t make it impossible.
It`s a forum. Of course it`s not personal. Why do you think you`re abhorrent?


Do you lke starting arguments?

Occasionally. But it takes two to tango.
Thanks for you time xx

no problem
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04-06-2009, 11:01 AM
Originally Posted by Billy1111 View Post
NOW COULD SOMEONE BE KIND ENOUGH TO HELP ME GET OFF THIS SITE
You're probably in too deep already! When I first joined many moons ago, I got hooked! Then I went through a phase of only visiting very occasionally. Now, I appear to be hooked again!!!

I think this whole holy war about alpha/dominant/pack structure etc. is all due to people getting the terms in their heads and associating the term with some aspect of someone's theory that they don't agree with. I'd be surprised if we didn't (Assuming the people/dogs in question have a well balanced relationship...) all treat our dogs in broadly the same way. Dogs, obviously, won't recognise that we're working to some sort of theory, experience or even just making it all up! All they'll be interested in is that there is someone they can look up to and who looks after them. Once that's in place, they'll be perfectly happy in their mid to lower social position.
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04-06-2009, 11:04 AM
Originally Posted by rich c View Post
You're probably in too deep already! When I first joined many moons ago, I got hooked! Then I went through a phase of only visiting very occasionally. Now, I appear to be hooked again!!!

I think this whole holy war about alpha/dominant/pack structure etc. is all due to people getting the terms in their heads and associating the term with some aspect of someone's theory that they don't agree with. I'd be surprised if we didn't (Assuming the people/dogs in question have a well balanced relationship...) all treat our dogs in broadly the same way. Dogs, obviously, won't recognise that we're working to some sort of theory, experience or even just making it all up! All they'll be interested in is that there is someone they can look up to and who looks after them. Once that's in place, they'll be perfectly happy in their mid to lower social position.
Oh, that post was music to my ears.....................Reps to ya...............
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04-06-2009, 11:17 AM
Originally Posted by Billy1111 View Post
Alpha(in the human sense) is someone who likes to control a situation, and feels that it is the best interest of others to share there knowledge,pack survival.
No it isn't, people who like to control a situation usually do it for their own purposes with little reagrd to other toher than that which they can get out of it.

We see Alpha in the playground (bullies) taking control of a situation and dominating people by doing this
Exactly a bully

We see alpha in the work force ,(bosses)
We see alpha in some of worlds greatest leaders???
Good bosses and good leaders are those that respect and appreciate the ability of their workers or those that lead, otherwise you're a dictator!

example if a bunch on people got chucked on a desert island , you need someone to become alpha , to form structure , to keep calm .
Nope you need someone to take control and who can utilise the strengths of the others in the group to enable that group to survive. You only have to look at the reality programmes such as BB and that island one where someone tries to take control and fails because they haven't taken into account other peoples abilities and strengths

Only people use alpha wrongly , and use it for there own gain , going back to the bullies in the playground.It is only our desire to use it to dominate.
I think a person who uses the term Alpha Male to describe themselves is arrogant and still back in the dark ages.

So all those who don't believe in alpha i assume wont be voting.???.
What? Of course people will vote, we are voting for people to act on our behalf to run this country efficiently, sadly those that put themselves up for nomination are the ones who think they can subsequently take control and do whatever they please and ignore the rest of us mere mortals.

Animals need alpha too (not our alpha there alpha) , it is a structure system , built over decades and put to the best use.
No they don't

Domesticated dogs do look at life with there family as a pack
No they don't

dog needs love , encouragement , it needs to be able to communicate with you
Agreed

you need to understand , you need respect from your dog.
You also need to respect your dog

And dogs require rules and boundaries
Agreed

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