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14-02-2015, 02:12 PM
Different dogs respond differently to things. If my Bunny ( A Gsd mix) is sleeping on my bed and I say get down very calmly and point to the floor, her ears just stick up and she looks at me like I'm retarded. Nudging her rump works a charm, no words spoken. Nigredo won't move an inch if I nudge him, but gets down on command. Both are gentle and effective methods for getting them off my bed.

Jade was a vicious tugger. If I stop, she struggles on and it gets frustrating for all of us. I helped her by gently reaching my walking weapon in front of her chest and this guides her back. I'm not hitting her or forcefully trying to push her back, but keeping the obstacle there guided her back.

Lots of praise and a "Back" command when she falls back and it helps with the tugging. She won't take food on walks, she's a bit skittish. She now doesn't tug and she still walks ahead sometimes, and not loose leash, but the tugging is gone.

It's important to be gentle when trying new methods. The dogs won't get it at first, and you don't want to give them an aversion to it before they even get a chance to try it out. In other news, I hate clickers. Just the other day, a lady was using one and they excite my Nigredo and it was absurd. He kept trying to get to her and the wonderful clicking thingy. I wish I'd never bought one.
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14-02-2015, 02:29 PM
i dont bother with give a paw or roll over. I did get interested in dnacing dogs , and took pip to spin , not really a good idea to teach an excitable Jrtx to spi
Oh, this gives me a giggle. I love the doggy tricks. Some dogs just can't be bothered, though. My Jade won't do any undignified and silly tricks. My Nigredo on the other hand, loves them. He never got the roll too well, I've heard long backed dogs sometimes have issues with it, so that makes sense.

I taught a 40 kg dog (who is about 5 feet tall on his back feet) to dance by balancing on his back feet for a treat. Now THAT was a bad idea. He began to "dance" to get the "treat" that is your dinner plate headed for the placemat on the table. A few dishes bumped off a doggy head and the "treats" he was looking for splattered all over the floor for his enjoyment later, I removed this trick from our practices and he was made to hold a sit.
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14-02-2015, 06:48 PM
Thank You Dibbythedog, a lot of good tips, and yes on the walks it is for a recall, (he is jumping from the path to the street and yards next to or tries to run after people)I reward him when he is coming (even when its the 3 rd time I ask)
I will read more about training. I found a page for Malamutes http://www.malamuterescue.com/alphatraining.html
and I think some points are good to know and to try, because I feel like Myrsky is sometimes stubborn and gets upset at us when we ask him something to do which he doesn't want to do, he barks at us and snaps at us. But I will learn how to deal with Myrskys (or lets say mine/our) issues. My Partner is a little bit overstrained with him, so as I sometimes don't know how to go on, but we wont give up so easily and give him all the time he need to become a good companion
You all are a good helpers
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14-02-2015, 07:35 PM
Hello, we haven't met yet, I'm PONlady! Nice to meet you.
Your puppy sounds as if he's very bright and a quick learner - that's great in terms of teaching him, but it also means he'll figure things out for himself fast! You need to be very careful HE doesn't train YOU! Once he gets you to do something he wants (ie, play with me!) by a behaviour you don't like (barking and biting) he will remember and do it again!

I like the Positive Training Youtube clips, here is one for teaching your dog to lie down calmly:-
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FRM0LeSBjxA
But you'll see others that you might find helpful, including one about play biting, You don't need a clicker - a positive word such as "Yes!" works just as well (and you don't need to worry about where you left the clicker!)

Start by holding a treat out in your fist. Don't let him have it until he looks up at you. No matter how he barks, scratches at your hand, bites (sorry!), totally ignore what he does until he looks at you, then say "Yes!" And open your hand.

When he looks at you reliably, take things up a notch; now he has to sit and look at you for a count of two seconds before you give him the treat.

Build this up; when he sits reliably, introduce the 'Sit' command when you see his butt go down.

There is loads of info on the web about clicker trwining, check it out and start it now, do it when ever you interact with your little chap and he will soon start to adore you! ��

Lots of luck!
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15-02-2015, 12:35 AM
Originally Posted by mjfromga View Post

I taught a 40 kg dog (who is about 5 feet tall on his back feet) to dance by balancing on his back feet for a treat. Now THAT was a bad idea. He began to "dance" to get the "treat" that is your dinner plate headed for the placemat on the table. A few dishes bumped off a doggy head and the "treats" he was looking for splattered all over the floor for his enjoyment later, I removed this trick from our practices and he was made to hold a sit.
My minds boggling . did you make him wear a top hat and tails ?
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15-02-2015, 01:27 AM
Mrysky , The barking and snapping is probably from frustration but like Ponlady said , you dont want him to learn he can get his way when he behaves like that.

He's on the lead in the street so you have a certain amount of control , if he tries to chase someone just stand still , he'll work out in his own time that he cant get anywhere, when he stops pulling , he should be more ready to move back to your side or carry on walking. becareful not to keep repeating Come to often before he responds as it just becomes nagging and he'll ignore it .

About the malamute link you gave -

I have limited experience with mals , they are now popular where I live so I see a few around . Most are on leads but sometimes let off when the park is quiet ( by park I mean green belt land with a mixture of large playing fields and woods and meadows) . I havent found them to be problematic though perhaps their owners behave more responsibly than other breed owners.
When I have read it properly , I can give you my opinion on the information they give but it is only an opinion.

Even if you agree that mals will dominate and want to reduce rank , then you have to be sure that what is described as wolf behaviour is accurate . Dominant wolves dont force roll sunbordinates for example , subordinates offer submission by rolling over themselves. Dominate wolves dont always eat first etc

You must be doing lots of reading but if you get time there are links here about wolves, dogs and rank .
http://petinfolinks.webs.com/dominancecontroversy.htm
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15-02-2015, 07:59 AM
nice to meet you too PONlady
yes I think so too is about frustration, his behaviour because he really wants to have it his way.(its good to know that this is a sign for a smart attitude?!) Thats why I think its just easy to do some of the tips they advice on the malamutepage, like for example we eat first, or pad him on his chest when he lays down( he really loves it) or just the watch me few times, because those things they don't harm him, but maybe help him to understand that he can't do everything he wants.
And Dibbythedog, I don't know if they act more like wolves than other dogs, but as I read, those dogs are little bit hard to train sometimes, because they are stubborn (I can feel it with myrsky) and because Im afraid, that he will end up in shelter, because I didn't understand this breed of dogs and what they need.So I wanna do everything I can to have him under control when he is big and strong.
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15-02-2015, 09:14 AM
Originally Posted by Myrsky<3 View Post
nice to meet you too PONlady
yes I think so too is about frustration, his behaviour because he really wants to have it his way.(its good to know that this is a sign for a smart attitude?!) Thats why I think its just easy to do some of the tips they advice on the malamutepage, like for example we eat first, or pad him on his chest when he lays down( he really loves it) or just the watch me few times, because those things they don't harm him, but maybe help him to understand that he can't do everything he wants.
And Dibbythedog, I don't know if they act more like wolves than other dogs, but as I read, those dogs are little bit hard to train sometimes, because they are stubborn (I can feel it with myrsky) and because Im afraid, that he will end up in shelter, because I didn't understand this breed of dogs and what they need.So I wanna do everything I can to have him under control when he is big and strong.
Two points Myrsky...... First, no malamutes or huskies do NOT act like or have any wolf traits... They are DOGS , and regardless of some opinions that may suggest otherwise, they are not the same.

You have a mix of two very independent breeds, both breeds can be challenging to experienced owners let alone inexperienced ones . Your boy could have the best and worse of both breeds in his makeup. Both breeds fall into the spitz group, most of these breeds will have an independent nature, which is why a lot of owners are drawn to them, they can be a challenge , they need a consistent routine, and you will find a lot of owners of both breeds will utilise their dogs natural instinct ( to run) in one form of hobby or another.

The malamute and husky have been bred by man to aid them in their daily life, they both have a strong instinct to run ( which is why most don't get let off lead) they can be wilful, you call it stubborn , it's part of their makeup. They were not bred to be couch potatoes and biddable like a lap dog, think about the origins of the breeds, the environment they lived and worked in, they need to have an independent nature to survive.

That being said, it does not mean they won't fit into everyday domesticated life, they do as many an owner will testify, but I am sure as you are a member of a breed forum, you have already learned, most owners of these breeds either run with them or compete in sled trials....

Your puppy is displaying normal puppy behaviour, just like ALL PUPPIES regardless of breeding, they mouth, jump up test boundaries , he is going to be a big dog, so yes you need to instill rules , don't read to much into pups behaviour with your partner, he probably just sees him as more of an interesting playmate...
Find yourself a good training class, it might be denifical to find a running club or similar you can join with your dog also ( when he's matures). Have you head of a sport called canni x , look it up , if you can utilise your dogs needs to fit in your life, you should not go wrong, there is a saying a happy dog is tired dog.....that means you exercised his body and his brain, and he is content to relax and not get up to trouble.

The second point is a curiosity ....why do you need to follow the " always eat before your dog" theory if it's for convenience then that's fine, but I suspect it's got to do with the dreaded " dominance theory" ...
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15-02-2015, 12:01 PM
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Two points Myrsky...... First, no malamutes or huskies do NOT act like or have any wolf traits... They are DOGS , and regardless of some opinions that may suggest otherwise, they are not the same.

You have a mix of two very independent breeds, both breeds can be challenging to experienced owners let alone inexperienced ones . Your boy could have the best and worse of both breeds in his makeup. Both breeds fall into the spitz group, most of these breeds will have an independent nature, which is why a lot of owners are drawn to them, they can be a challenge , they need a consistent routine, and you will find a lot of owners of both breeds will utilise their dogs natural instinct ( to run) in one form of hobby or another.

The malamute and husky have been bred by man to aid them in their daily life, they both have a strong instinct to run ( which is why most don't get let off lead) they can be wilful, you call it stubborn , it's part of their makeup. They were not bred to be couch potatoes and biddable like a lap dog, think about the origins of the breeds, the environment they lived and worked in, they need to have an independent nature to survive.

That being said, it does not mean they won't fit into everyday domesticated life, they do as many an owner will testify, but I am sure as you are a member of a breed forum, you have already learned, most owners of these breeds either run with them or compete in sled trials....

Your puppy is displaying normal puppy behaviour, just like ALL PUPPIES regardless of breeding, they mouth, jump up test boundaries , he is going to be a big dog, so yes you need to instill rules , don't read to much into pups behaviour with your partner, he probably just sees him as more of an interesting playmate...
Find yourself a good training class, it might be denifical to find a running club or similar you can join with your dog also ( when he's matures). Have you head of a sport called canni x , look it up , if you can utilise your dogs needs to fit in your life, you should not go wrong, there is a saying a happy dog is tired dog.....that means you exercised his body and his brain, and he is content to relax and not get up to trouble.

The second point is a curiosity ....why do you need to follow the " always eat before your dog" theory if it's for convenience then that's fine, but I suspect it's got to do with the dreaded " dominance theory" ...
Most of what you say is good advice ... With the exception of your first paragraph. Siberian huskies and mals are actually quite Wolfey in their behaviour, especially mals. I have lived with low/medium wolf crosses for 16 years, including a very high percent F1, and as I say mals in particular display a lot of wolf behaviours ... Hardly surprising when you examine their genetic background. All dogs display wolf behaviours inherited from their ancestors, but some breeds are closer to the wolf than others. You must not make incorrect statements on a serious subject Jackie ... Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe you have ever owned a Siberian husky or a mal, or a wolf cross? I have had 4 dogs in the last 16 years, 5 if you count Woody, I who was pure wolf crossed with Czech wolf dog and 4 who were mixes of Siberian husky, mal, touch of GSD and wolf ... Gorgeous dogs, all of 'em ... But not for the faint-hearted! I think our friend is doing an excellent job with Myrsky but needs to be aware that a spitz type dog is very different indeed from a Labrador or spaniel. She should not be given false information, although as a very intelligent person I am sure she is quite capable of working things out for herself.
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15-02-2015, 12:04 PM
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nice to meet you too PONlady
yes I think so too is about frustration, his behaviour because he really wants to have it his way.(its good to know that this is a sign for a smart attitude?!) Thats why I think its just easy to do some of the tips they advice on the malamutepage, like for example we eat first, or pad him on his chest when he lays down( he really loves it) or just the watch me few times, because those things they don't harm him, but maybe help him to understand that he can't do everything he wants.
And Dibbythedog, I don't know if they act more like wolves than other dogs, but as I read, those dogs are little bit hard to train sometimes, because they are stubborn (I can feel it with myrsky) and because Im afraid, that he will end up in shelter, because I didn't understand this breed of dogs and what they need.So I wanna do everything I can to have him under control when he is big and strong.
These dogs in particular love to have their chests. Hal, my first wolf cross, hated to be stroked or patted, but rub his chest and he would go into a state of ecstasy! A very good way to reward him without the use of titbits.
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