I appreciate that. I can't see where you actually made the same statement. Only a post quoting Annes words and putting "I agree" underneath. Is there a post i'm missing?
Please note that it was not me that firstly accused of personal attacks. It was posted by Anne directly aimed at me that I was personally attacking her and making things up. And I have replied asking where? I disagreed with her which I'm entitled to do. Sorry but yes I do find it a sweeping statement to state "All breeders that kennel or keep their dogs outside" are bad breeders. And I do take offence of it on behalf of ethical breeders and owners that I know of that keep their dogs outside because that's the way their dogs prefer it. I'm not sitting on one side because as I've said previously said, I choose to keep my dogs inside for my own benefit. Is it for the sole benefit of the dog though? I'm looking at it from my experience and in a balanced view.
Hope this clears it up.

Don’t really care who started what and yes your right I did just post saying I agreed with her statement.

But surely if you are going to take offence at anyone who disagrees with your opinion is not only bad for debate but I would of thought for your stress levels as well. See in your opinion they are ethical breeders that breed their dogs outside to others they are not – it’s a matter of opinion not fact.

Also just because some may not be of the same opinion as you does not make them either inexperienced or unbalanced and I could take offence at what you are implying but again thats your opinion and whilst I may not agree I defend your right to state it.

Spot
Don't worry my stress levels are absolutely fine
And I'm always up for a good debate.
But why the lecture that i'm taking hindrence and saying i'm accusing people of being unbalanced and inexperienced. i have put in my experience (as in my experience with dogs) and "I" am looking at it in a balanced view (as I've stated I keep my dogs in the house but I don't have problem with dogs outside). I'm not slating anyone for their own experiences or calling anyone inbalanced.
To be honest I get the feeling your looking for an argument that isn't there as your taking my words and coming up with your own conclusions. My posts speak for themselves and although I may disagree with others opinions, as have you and everyone on here I have never taken the view that I'm right and everyone is wrong.
I have felt a need to reply to accusations thrown at me but this is not what the post is really about. As I said to Anne. I'm quite happy to discuss this by PM as not to go Off topic of the original OP.

FAO SPOT

Thanks for your PM's Good talking to you. Glad we sorted out the misunderstanding. Confusion can be caused on forums so glad we clarified where we were coming from.
Good talking.

There are some crazy breeders out there. Im personally just getting into this whole thing (getting a dog from a breeder). I like to rescue but here in the place that I live in they wont allow me or my husband because we are military and there is 'too big a risk for the dogs being left or given up' But anywayz, back on topic...my breeder has about 30 dogs that she uses. Her Grandfather started her line and her father did it and now she does it. She also breeds cattle and horses, so her Aussies are born and raised (at least in the begining) on a working ranch. What she does is her job and her passion. So yes she is in it for the money. But I tell you what she produces some ASWESOME pups and her dogs are in GREAT shape and are happy. Im so glad I didnt find one of those breeders that ya'll are talking about.

WOW so many different views, but glad we all agree on the crate 24/7, we are not talking about a few or half a dozen crates here, we are talking floor to ceiling, now a few ppl have raved on about this person i have been talking about, just a warning,,dont listen to word of mouths go and cheak them out, ask to look where the dogs sleep etc and have a look, look at the garden, look where they eat, if they are a good breeder they would not object to this, if they do,,,"alarm bells" should ring, and hopefully you should walk away. Like i said i am not sure if some good breeders have been to see other breeders houses, or have just seen their dogs at show, and that is how the word of mouth is,,if i was too breed, my baby girl will still be sleeping on MY bed, will still be eating out a clean bowl in the kitchen, still be sitting on the furniture,,why because she is my BABY. i have 4 dogs, and i sit on the floor, they sleep on the sofa, but i dont like to move them,...sad yes i am...lol

Anyway i am now going of topic, thanks for your veiws, i dont like to get involved on the "outside" topic, all i will say is mine love to be indoors, and i like that too but where there is heated shelter and clean water etc, then where is the prob, that is much better than cages.

Hugs To all

my parents are breeders (not advertising) and there animals all come inside there house and the have some large out door kennels for in the summer, I think this kind of socialisation make s dogs better from all asspects