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Ziva
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02-11-2008, 07:45 AM

The evolution of the domesticated dog

I'm interested in learning more about the evolution of dogs, in particular regarding their physiology.

I found this piece which is quite interesting, although would very much like to see more if anyone has kept links to information like this that they could share?!

The earliest remains of the domestic dog date from 10 to 15 thousand years ago; the diversity of these remains suggests multiple domestication events at different times and places. Dogs may be derived from several different ancestral gray wolf populations, and many dog breeds and wild wolf populations must be analysed in order to tease apart the genetic sources of the domestic dog gene pool.

A limited mitochondrial DNA restriction fragment analysis of seven dog breeds and 26 gray wolf populations from different locations around the world has shown that the genotypes of dogs and wolves are either identical or differ by the loss or gain of only one or two restriction sites. The domestic dog is an extremely close relative of the gray wolf, differing from it by at most 0.2% of mtDNA sequence.
In comparison, the gray wolf differs from its closest wild relative, the coyote, by about 4% of mitochondrial DNA sequence. Therefore, the molecular genetic evidence does not support theories that domestic dogs arose from jackal ancestors.

Dogs are gray wolves, despite their diversity in size and proportion; the wide variation in their adult morphology probably results from simple changes in developmental rate and timing.

http://www.grapevine.net/~wolf2dog/wayne2.htm
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02-11-2008, 09:10 AM
MaryS and pod are very good on this sort of topic.

Here are just a couple I've got bookmarked, but I don't understand it enough to enter into a discussion about the subject.

It's interesting though.



http://www.canine-genetics.com/Default.htm

http://www.britainhill.com/GeneticStructure.pdf

I think there is a thread somewhere where MaryS discusses assortive (phenotypical) breeding which (as I understand it) results in a dog that walks like a duck, quacks like a duck but actually isn't a duck - if you see what I mean. This could result in a dog that has the physiology but not the genes of the resulting 'type'.

I'd be interested in any more info.
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02-11-2008, 09:04 PM
Sorry guys, my bookmarks are well and truly locked in the crashed pc ....hopefully to be accessed at some point and I will add to the thread then.

Until then a search on Google scholar using dog/ wolf/ mtDNA/ evolution will bring up articles with citations and references...once you start it can get all absorbing!

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05-11-2008, 11:29 AM
im doind a diploma on dogs and my first essay was on this
its truly fascinating
dogs and wolves have been reclasified as the same species as they can breed and produce fertile offspring
also the genetic splitbetween dogs and wolves happend 100000 years ago but the shape of dogs only begain to changeaprox 15000 years ago about when we became farmers
so we have had wolves at our firesides for a v long time even tho they were not domesticated it indicates a symbiotic relationship between the two species, us both helping each other
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05-11-2008, 01:43 PM
Many thanks all.

I'm particuarly interested in their evolution from a physiological point of view i.e. a dogs DNA is said to be 99.8% wolf, yet we all know most look nothing like a wolf.

Are their internal organs (digestive tract etc) therefore exactly like a wolf or has that too evolved?!!
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05-11-2008, 03:43 PM
I've been told their digestie tract is the same as a wolfs (comparatively speaking, obviously the actual size depends on the size of the dog) which is why raw is good for them. The way I look at it is, you wouldn't feed a domesticated cow meat just because it's domesticated, so why feed a dog veggies/grains just because it's domesticated?

But I'm sure someone will prove me wrong
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16-11-2008, 03:04 PM
Originally Posted by Ziva View Post
I'm particuarly interested in their evolution from a physiological point of view i.e. a dogs DNA is said to be 99.8% wolf, yet we all know most look nothing like a wolf.
What this brings up for me is questions about the amazing things even .1% of a DNA change can do. We could spend all day pointing out differences between a pug or a chihuahua or cocker spaniel from a wolf, but you said there is only a .2% difference. I wonder which genes have changed? They must make a drastic difference- eg. Size, colour, fur length, maturity levels, instinct (actually this one is only slightly changed), eye colour, muscle build up, etc. And all of this in only that small percentage? It's hard to believe!

Maybe I should become a geneticist... Then I'll specialise in this area and come up with some answers! :P
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16-11-2008, 03:09 PM
LOL yes it is fascinating

It's not so very different though from our own race, with different creed, colour, heights, build, face shapes etc.

I understand it's the same sort of percentage differences between our different creeds too.
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new here hello! Just browsing around and found this very interesting, thanks for posting!
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