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08-06-2010, 01:51 PM
Originally Posted by borderladysue 
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I think you will find this is not a single attack? (human)
P.S just for the record i am not ant-fox i just believe a wild animal belongs in its own natural habitat.
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08-06-2010, 01:51 PM
Originally Posted by borderladysue
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I think you will find this is not a single attack? (human)
P.S just for the record i am not ant-fox i just believe a wild animal belongs in its own natural habitat.
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08-06-2010, 01:53 PM
Originally Posted by labradork
Re: foxes getting into bins...I don't know about everywhere else, but we have council-supplied wheelie bins. Foxes cannot get into these. If someone is having problem with foxes getting into their bins, perhaps they need to reconsider how they dispose of their rubbish. I've never known anyone around here having a problem with foxes and rubbish. Likewise with rats; I can't even remember the last time I saw a wild rat. Vermin are obviously attracted to food, so if you don't leave it lying around, rarely are they a problem.
As for suggesting that foxes may go around looking for some 'other' type of food (meaning human babies?
), that is just scaremongering. One incident surely cannot lead people to believe that their children may be next from the evil baby-munching foxes.
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08-06-2010, 01:54 PM
Originally Posted by borderladysue
what the same respect these two innocent little girls have been shown. so the answer is to just let them roam around and savage whatever takes their fancy that day?
respect??.. its a wild animal that we share the world with,we are not the only creatures on this planet!
get a grip!!.. yes kill all rather then share the world... hows about people shut their doors and properly dispose of their rubbish... if you dont like other living creatures leave them alone!
humans answer to everything.. kill and desrtoy!!!
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08-06-2010, 01:55 PM
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08-06-2010, 01:57 PM
Originally Posted by labradork
Re: foxes getting into bins...I don't know about everywhere else, but we have council-supplied wheelie bins. Foxes cannot get into these. If someone is having problem with foxes getting into their bins, perhaps they need to reconsider how they dispose of their rubbish. I've never known anyone around here having a problem with foxes and rubbish. Likewise with rats; I can't even remember the last time I saw a wild rat. Vermin are obviously attracted to food, so if you don't leave it lying around, rarely are they a problem.
As for suggesting that foxes may go around looking for some 'other' type of food (meaning human babies?
), that is just scaremongering. One incident surely cannot lead people to believe that their children may be next from the evil baby-munching foxes.
yes, freely available food has been the attraction...but not everyone can help how their rubbish is stored prior to collection. You've evidently no experience of living in an inner city where there isn't room for everyone to have an outside bin and rubbish has to be kept inside until the night before the binmen collection (and then left out in bin bags)?
I don't mean to scaremonger - I'm not suggesting that foxes WILL attack more -what I'm saying is that we don't know what will happen next but we can't just leave it to nature as there isn't a natural way for urban fox numbers to reduce.
As I said in one of my earlier posts- one possibility is the domestication of foxes just like the first dogs. I see very strong similarities and I bet there was a fair bit of baby-grabbing by ferral dogs before their domestication.
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08-06-2010, 02:05 PM
Originally Posted by Hali
Re the aligators - yes some are relocated, others are killed - depending on whether they are deemed a threat to humans or not and whether there is somewhere safe they can be released. I think most people have agreed that you can't relocate an urban fox to the wild - it just wouldn't know what to do without bins to raid - attacking a still baby is one thing - catching a running rabbit is another)
And as for living alongside wildlife - what all of it? So do we just leave the rats to multiply in our towns?
There is more to it than that though. The fox has no natural predator. in the wild they die off in harsh winters etc according to the availability of rabbits and other prey...i.e. nature does its own job of keeping down numbers (and not in a very pleasant way). They generally keep away from humans and are afraid of us.
In the city things are different. For years they have had easy pickings from our bins etc. and as a result, urban foxes have multiplied and prospered. They've become much less fearful of humans. What will the next stage be? What happens when the oversupply means there is not enough food to go round? Will the population subside or will they just look for other types of food? Will some become tame and are foxes the 'next dog'?
I don't know whether the situation is yet so bad that a mass cull is needed, but I think this case has raised an interesting issue and one that should be considered. The fox population cannot carry on expanding indefinitely.
Foxes don't belong in cities. Yes are cities have expanded but there is still masses of open countryside to support the a very healthy fox population. If we had altogether removed their natural habitat, I would maybe think differently.
By the way - same question to you as for Tink - do you feel the same about rats - we should just live and let live?
..not really that 'unaturel habitat' to me also the car in london takes place of a natural predator..only this morning outside the surgery was a rta fox
..re rats..again clear up rubbish also our cat and my dogs are effective rat control if they are silly enough to show themselves
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08-06-2010, 02:10 PM
Originally Posted by Hali
So you are not exactly letting mother nature sort it out - you are inteferring by humane traps and keeping cats.
What would you think if people started keeping fox hounds as a natural way of keeping down foxes? (just on their own land, of course)?
Id be terribly upset if my cat was killed but thats nature.
As for traps im simply relocating it back outside where it belongs.
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08-06-2010, 02:11 PM
Originally Posted by Tupacs2legs
london is not just streets and rubbish..my local common has rabbits birds etc
..not really that 'unaturel habitat' to me also the car in london takes place of a natural predator..only this morning outside the surgery was a rta fox
..re rats..again clear up rubbish also our cat and my dogs are effective rat control if they are silly enough to show themselves
Why is it ok to keep rats/mice numbers down by keeping a cat, but its not ok to control fox numbers by a humane cull? (if it was necessary, and I still don't know that it is at present)
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