What are you shocked about?
The bit you've put in bold is about me not wanting to train anyone else's dog to retrieve. Well sorry but I don't want to, hang me high I don't want to bond with other people's dogs thanks, I have enough trouble with other dogs tagging along as it is.
Is he not allowed to choose which areas he chooses to work in then? Does he have to take on every dog that anyone with half a brain could train or is he allowed to decide for himself the bits he wants to specialise in.

Oh yeah sorry I'm dim and need so many people to point out the error of my ways. Actually I don't, if it's not a big deal why do the anti's feel the need to go on and on and on ad infinitum? Who's making it a big deal. Not that any of this has anything to do with using him to kennel or train your dogs residentially, just another excuse to have yet another pop at him and anyone that seems to think he's ok. Now we need 3 threads on the go at the same time apparently.

Its odd...how different things appear to different people.....10 different views....10 different observations of what is happening....who is right?

Becasue of how you feel about a subject you will automatically observe the things that make it positive or negative....the 'pro' people do not seem to be able to see the stress and calming signals the dogs are displaying....the 'Antis' do not seem to see the relationship that CM has with his dogs.

I will admit to never having observed him with his dogs - and when I have watched him working with dogs I have only seen negatives - from his actions and the bodylanguage of the dogs. Although I have heard him say some good things...it all falls down when he actually starts working with the dog.

Ok ......its just hypothetical <spelling sos>


Ive had a lovely day today , so feeling very mellow & chilled

...also the need to go on abit? because of education. If newcomers/novicey owners come on here, id like them to see a different view that perhaps they hadnt thought of before.

Both sides of the fence "go on" as much as the other really!

Anytime

So I must be spawn of the devil right?

Think people are reading far too much into things tbh, so apparently now he hates dogs, oh yer course.

But why bother even voicing my opinion anymore? When did the good 'ol debates turn into personal battles of wit (or less than as the case may be) and slagging with no respect for fellow members? Every single ruddy thread? Never used to be like that on here, most other forums yes, but not here, shame really.

And as is the case I have to put a disclaimer on every thread voicing my opinion least anyone mistake that's it's aimed at them, it's just a general observation, yeh really.

The way you put it made it sound as if you were saying 'why should CM do this'.....I was explaining why I think he should and how it can be used as a great way to build a bond. Of course it will ot wok with every dog - but that is no reason to swear it off with all of them.

I am a bit confused by your last bit - are you suggesting that the dogs he works with would not benifit from learning to play and interact that way with thier owner?

Are we not allowed to disagree with the methods he uses then

People who are new to dogs or have issues need to know that there are other way and kinder methods out there that will help with the dogs issues.

Residential training is not (IMO) a way to go - and nor are the methods that CM preaches.

Sorry what bits confusing you?
I think I'm as confused as you now, I thought it was clear but obviously it's as clear as mud to you