will PM you

This is an answer to the above post and not I hope a personal attack
Hello and sorry Stan, only just seen this I posted in H/D because we were already conversing in this section , and if you look at my previous post example here ..... ... I had asked you a question about your link to a site with advertising and been ignored. This is part of the post with the link in question....
"Hi All
7 Weeks is the best time to rehome a dog. See a part of my article on critical periods in a Puppy's Psychological Growth "..then a URL link to your forum with banners advertising dog food..looked like advertising your site to me You had already posted in one section of the board where a person was asking for info on a brand of dogfood, (Thursday 8:35am item on Burns) and disagreed with my answer then gone on to recommend the food advertised in banners on your site again with a link to yor site . As you have a site of your own I was sure you would know about the 'no advertising your business site' rule most sites have . You also admitted in a post to coming to the board not as an ordinary new member but to defend a quote of yours posted here, you did not introduce yourself as others do in the intro section either.
You did it seems answered my quiery a day later... thank you as the post date confirms. I think it is an odd thing to write " I do hope we are not seriously going to fall out." Did I not send you a friendly welcome PM message, appology and request for you to go to Introductions so we could all say hello for which I received no reply. ?

Hi Stan in reply to your query as to why I thought your answer was too sweeping and general I will explain, You say... that's fine..then you go on to qualify this by saying...

now the highlighted bit when read quickly by anyone briefly looking for info (as forum uses often are) would to many infer that "7 to 16 Weeks
Human Socialisation Period. This is the period when the pup should be homed" Not just that seven weeks is the best time but any time between in fact 7 to 16 weeks.

I also went on to say: I say this because I feel your statement "7 to 16 Weeks Human Socialisation Period The puppy now has the brain waves of an adult dog, but his attention span is short almost that of a goldfish" is sweeping and wrong and that a puppy is capable of learning before seven week and has quite a good attention span during this period up to sixteen weeks . The researchers themselves can not agree when the socialisation period actually begins, some say as early as four weeks, what is known is that at 4 weeks of age the puppies brain is well myelinized and he can process information quickly and efficiently. You are entitled to your opinion of course and I am entitled to differ in mine, and I am sure most people who have with experience of puppies will agree that puppies do vary and you can't lump them all together and they are certainly capable of learning before seven weeks of age.

I was under the impression that goldfish only have a memory span of about 3 seconds?
puppies have short attention spans but they definately can absorb lot of short 5 minutes training sessions from a very early age, as young as 4-5 weeks. I would never buy a puppy older than 10 weeks max, I made the mistake of buying a pup years ago who was about 12 weeks when I got her and had been poorly socialised I spent the rest of her short life constantly trying to coax her out of her shell and encourage her to be a bit more lively, but she remained shy and fearful in certain situations despite my best efforts. Sadly she suffered a serious leg injury when she was about 2 years old and I had to have her put down, but I never made the same mistake again, I always choose a puppy at around 6-8 weeks regardless of whether its one I have bred or one I am buying. If I go to see a litter of pups and none of them seem lively or well socialised I leave emptyhanded because if they miss out on that critical period I dont think you can ever replace it. In humans it is to do with the connections (synapses is that the right word???) in the brian being formed at a very early age, the more that are formed the better, if the child receives low stimulus the synapses wont form, It must be the same with puppies surely? I have my pups indoors until theyre about 3 - 4 weeks old then they move to the kennels where they can cause as much havoc as they like I chuck loads of toys in with them as soon as theyre old enough to play, the more experiences they get the better, I leave a radio playing in the kennels and make sure they are handled regularly and accustomed to lots of sights and sounds. If puppies are not given this vital socialisation they will never be 100% compared to pups which have.

Mini you must really read the post in it's entirety not in isolation. This was the full post.

Please note that I have stated this is only part of a article I have written, and is based on the Bar Harbor project undertaken by Scott and Fuller ib the 60s and was and still is probably one of the most important canine projects this century.

Sweeping and general it ain't!

Stan

Stan I am fully aware of the the Bar Harbor project undertaken by Scott and Fuller and I agree, their work certainly wasn't sweeping or general

Please note that people are not reading your entire article, only the portion you have posted on this forum, so anything else you may have written elsewhere is irrelevant I still think the bit you have posted particularly coming from an expert like yourself is misleading to anyone quickly searching for information ..as is the part about goldfish.

Have you forgotten the question that started the thread. " Which is the best age for a puppy to leave mum" then I have answered it clearly and concisely, and have even confirmed it by a snippet which I clearly stated was a snippet from an article I wrote on critical periods.

Stan

Well I, like alot of Staffordshire Bull Terrier breeders I know, think a puppy should go between 8-12 weeks. I had a puppy give to me when she was 4 weeks, never had her teeth bless her and another when she was 3 weeks. They were not Staffs, they were my grandfathers type of dogs so I looked after them until they were older and paper trained and eating well, not crying through the night etc...etc...etc... It can be done, in the end I took the older one of the two and kept her until she was 1 1/2 y/o.