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28-02-2008, 09:24 PM
Sounds like your domestics are going well.Recalls are about training, im more than happy to tell you how i train a recall, but i dont want to waste my time if you arent interested???? let me know.

How does CM train a 100% recall?
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28-02-2008, 09:43 PM
Originally Posted by Gnasher View Post
Shaun Ellis, the Wolf Man, lived for several years with wild wolves in the States :
Wolves are wolves, dogs are dogs, even Milans stuff is about wild dog packs not wolves. Unless he also means hybrids living as domestic dogs ?

Now, one thing I am struggling with his recall ... back to me, not OH. If OH is with me, when I call him back, he comes back like a rocket ... but to OH, not me ! This means to me that he recogises Mike as the head of our household, which he is (I'm an old fashioned girl), but does anyone think there is another reason? Am I doing something wrong?
Its really far too early to be doing offlead with him, there has barely been time for bonding elt alone training, [ that which Milan does`nt seem to teach *cough* ], so I would say you are trying too much too soon without creating a firm foundation first. Though if Tai is the dog I think he is, was`nt he supposed to be a long term foster not a rescue adoptee ? The relevance being, if so, are you perhaps distancing yourself a bit to prevent bonding too closely for when he goes home in a few months ?
If he is the same one and things changed though so that he will be permanent, I would stop letting him off lead until he has had chance to develop enough of a relationship with you, its very common for a rescue to have a bit of a `best behaviour` phase at first then to start finding out if the boundaries are more relaxed at which time he could well take off running, or the opposite can happen of just not listening because of not knowing the new family well enough and everything being enticing to explore etc etc, so I would stick with harness and longline for the first few weeks at least.
[ And the snip then at least if he does a runner he wont be procreating before being found, though that should have been done before rehoming anyway ].
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28-02-2008, 09:45 PM
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Now, one thing I am struggling with his recall ... back to me, not OH. If OH is with me, when I call him back, he comes back like a rocket ... but to OH, not me ! This means to me that he recogises Mike as the head of our household, which he is (I'm an old fashioned girl), but does anyone think there is another reason? Am I doing something wrong?
Not sure how to answer that to be honest cos you haven't said what you're doing so how can we say either way, we're not telepathic

Seriously as Mish said we can tell you what we do, but that's up to you.

Naughty Mish I told you he doesn't give advice on training sit stay etc.
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28-02-2008, 09:54 PM
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Naughty Mish I told you he doesn't give advice on training sit stay etc.
Moi? naughty see i spotted you were insightful!

My point being though...really he SHOULD be teaching people how to achieve a recall if hes got a following.A recall is a pretty basic part of dog ownership!
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28-02-2008, 10:13 PM
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Moi? naughty see i spotted you were insightful!

My point being though...really he SHOULD be teaching people how to achieve a recall if hes got a following.A recall is a pretty basic part of dog ownership!
Ahh but if they follow the rest of the advice he is giving rather than just pick the bits they fancy it follows naturally.

What he actually says (if I remember correctly) is I'm not here to teach you how to get your dog to recognise voice commands or hand signals. There are plenty of guides and books related to dog training and many qualified specialists out there who can do that. His primary mission is to help you understand your dog better and offer some practical advice. blah blah blah or words to that effect. (Lets hope he never reads this and accuses me of misquoting him )

Yes recall is a pretty basic and essential part of Dog ownership, but if I read something like Bruce Fogle on caring for my dog I don't expect him to tell me how to get my dog to come back when called or whatever. I expect him to stick to his area of expertise.
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28-02-2008, 10:37 PM
mishflynn: I am puzzled by your response ! Why would I not be interested when I have asked for advice in the first place !! Could you explain to me why our new dog comes back when called ... but to my husband's side, not mine! (Although it is me who called him !)

I don't think I have ever seen Cesar do a recall, so I can't answer your question ... but any advice about the above would be much appreciated! Thanks in advance
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28-02-2008, 10:54 PM
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mishflynn: I am puzzled by your response ! Why would I not be interested when I have asked for advice in the first place !! Could you explain to me why our new dog comes back when called ... but to my husband's side, not mine! (Although it is me who called him !)

I don't think I have ever seen Cesar do a recall, so I can't answer your question ... but any advice about the above would be much appreciated! Thanks in advance
Was he previously a man`s dog or a woman`s dog ? It will likely be as basic as that.

Does`nt matter if a dog was in a family home with two or more people really, if he was more bonded to the man of the house before or if the man was the more dominating, [ ie meted out discipline ], he will likely be the same in his new home too, either because he was more bonded to one over the other or through fear of reprisal by a person of the same gender if the previous home included a punisher.
Its also common with abuse cases that a dog will, [ initially in many cases ], respond better to the opposite gender of the human who abused them simply because of not having negativity toward that gender.

Voice also makes a difference, a man`s vocal tones are very different to a woman`s, a man`s usually being `firmer` due to depth of tone, and a woman`s being more `fun tone` because of being higher pitched, so that can be an element too.
That`s one of the main reasons a clicker is so useful for many dogs because it takes vocal tone out of the equation.
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28-02-2008, 10:55 PM
Patch: could I ask you please not to broadcast personal information on the public forum ! Sorry to be critical, but it is actually no-one's business but Tai's former owner and ourselves and it isn't fair on that former owner who loves his dog as much and had to make a very hard and very brave decision to rehome his beloved pet because of personal circumstances. Now it has been done though, he is most certainly not a foster - we are his forever home. Yipee !!

Thanks for the advice though about letting him off leash so soon. I agree that normally this would be inadvisable, and indeed, I had already decided I would be keeping him on the long line for at least the first week. But he HAS bonded with us so well ... I believe thanks in part to Cesar's calm assertive energy and intelligent rules of setting boundaries and limitations ... that it seemed pointless to restrict his exercise when our vet suggested to us that we give him plenty of exercise. As much as I enjoy walking, I can only manage 2 or 3 miles a day due to old injuries following an accident, so by letting him off leash if I do, say, 2 miles he probably covers 4 as he likes to range on a zig zag just in front of me, trotting up and down following scents etc. As he is so good at recall, I can see only positive benefit from letting him off the lead to run free and build up muscle and fitness.
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28-02-2008, 11:09 PM
Patch: How do you know the name of my new dog ... I never mentioned it before purposely, to protect his owner's identity?

Mike (OH) will agree with you I know about what you say re his previous owner (who was male ). I think you could be right. Incidentally, I know you probably didn't mean this in your posting, but the insinuation could be read that Tai was abused in his old home. He most certainly was not!

I personally like to use a high pitched voice to get the dog's attention, and I can do a piercing whistle through my front teeth which works a treat !
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28-02-2008, 11:16 PM
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Patch: could I ask you please not to broadcast personal information on the public forum ! Sorry to be critical, but it is actually no-one's business but Tai's former owner and ourselves and it isn't fair on that former owner who loves his dog as much and had to make a very hard and very brave decision to rehome his beloved pet because of personal circumstances. Now it has been done though, he is most certainly not a foster - we are his forever home. Yipee !!

Thanks for the advice though about letting him off leash so soon. I agree that normally this would be inadvisable, and indeed, I had already decided I would be keeping him on the long line for at least the first week. But he HAS bonded with us so well ... I believe thanks in part to Cesar's calm assertive energy and intelligent rules of setting boundaries and limitations ... that it seemed pointless to restrict his exercise when our vet suggested to us that we give him plenty of exercise. As much as I enjoy walking, I can only manage 2 or 3 miles a day due to old injuries following an accident, so by letting him off leash if I do, say, 2 miles he probably covers 4 as he likes to range on a zig zag just in front of me, trotting up and down following scents etc. As he is so good at recall, I can see only positive benefit from letting him off the lead to run free and build up muscle and fitness.

What personal information ? If you mean the foster stuff, its on the net for goodness sake, its hardly a secret !

It was relevant in case it was a factor, that if he was on foster you might be holding back emotionally and him picking up on it therefore being less responsive to you on the recall, many people foster, I have done so myself, it was an absolutely valid point in case you were fostering, so please reel the `show of umbrage` in and don`t be so quick to let it fly next time thank you.
I gave you general variables of possibilities, [ including foster scenario ], which could answer your question.
If you want to throw my years of experience of foster and rescue dogs back in my face you go ahead, but don`t expect me to offer it again, its not worth the time it takes to type it out for someone who is determined to ignore it.

Edited to add, there are long lines and there are long lines. I had one made which is in three sections so the length can be varied to suit terrain and obstacles. At full length it gives a dog the distance of a football pitch, so more than adequate for proper running, fitness, and stamina building.
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