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19-06-2009, 03:03 PM
Originally Posted by Jackbox 
NOPE... God they used to be free to good home when I was a kidThink I remeber paying about £10 for a Collie X when I was younger.
Fab dog, loved him to death.... my old Shep
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19-06-2009, 03:47 PM
Originally Posted by labradork
Why is shedding such a big deal? I don't get it. If you 'love Goldens', get a Golden and clean more. I sweep up every day and it is hardly the end of the world.
Bedlingtons don't shed.
P.S. Plenty of 'scruffy muts' around here lol
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19-06-2009, 04:22 PM
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19-06-2009, 06:14 PM
Originally Posted by dog-nut
YOU REALLY DON'T GET THE POINT OF THOSE WHO SAY THEY DON'T WANT TO CREATE A BREED.
TO CREATE A BREED (OF A STANDARD LOOK), YOU MUST DO A LARGE AMOUNT OF INBREEDING AT THE BEGINNING.
THAT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE TO THE BETTER DOODLE BREEDERS.THEREFORE, THEY ONLY WANT TO FIX THE NON-SHED, SIZE AND TEMPERAMENT TRAITS.
THIS IS NOT ENOUGH TO BE ACCEPTED BY THE AKC IN THE USA, AND THAT IS OK WITH THE DOODLE PEOPLE.
AS FOR THE AUSTRALIAN DOODLES, I BELIEVE THE TOP BREEDERS HAVE FIXED THE NON-SHED TRAIT.
THEY HAVE GREAT DOGS, AND CHARGE ALOT FOR IT.
FOR THE THOSE WHO CAN'T FACE IT, I WILL REPEAT...THE PURPOSE OF A GOLDENDOODLE IS TO GIVE PEOPLE WHO LOVE GOLDENS THE POSSIBLIITY TO HAVE A LOW SHED DOG.
THAT IS AS GOOD A PURPOSE AS ALMOST ALL OTHER BREEDS (EXCEPT THE WORKING DOGS).
They do not need to use so much inbreeding as they are using already established breeds which conform to 'type'.
Looking at your boy - (who looks lovely by the way
) he looks SO much like a poodle that had you posted pics of him I would have assumed he was a standard poodle. I also do not see the point of going in for a low shed dog....grooming wise poodle types take as much time (if not more) to groom, and when the hair has to come off there is a lot of it - if you are sending him to a grooming parlour why not do that with a goldie and keep on top of it in between times.
Again....I really do not see the point - sorry.
However - my mother obviously does and informed me this evening that her next dog is going to be a Springer x poodle
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19-06-2009, 06:16 PM
Originally Posted by Tassle
But this is exactly what they are trying to do...breed a dog that conforms to 'type' whether it is temperment or looks.
They do not need to use so much inbreeding as they are using already established breeds which conform to 'type'.
Looking at your boy - (who looks lovely by the way
) he looks SO much like a poodle that had you posted pics of him I would have assumed he was a standard poodle. I also do not see the point of going in for a low shed dog....grooming wise poodle types take as much time (if not more) to groom, and when the hair has to come off there is a lot of it - if you are sending him to a grooming parlour why not do that with a goldie and keep on top of it in between times.
Again....I really do not see the point - sorry.
However - my mother obviously does and informed me this evening that her next dog is going to be a Springer x poodle
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19-06-2009, 06:40 PM
Originally Posted by Tassle
But this is exactly what they are trying to do...breed a dog that conforms to 'type' whether it is temperment or looks.
They do not need to use so much inbreeding as they are using already established breeds which conform to 'type'.
Looking at your boy - (who looks lovely by the way
) he looks SO much like a poodle that had you posted pics of him I would have assumed he was a standard poodle. I also do not see the point of going in for a low shed dog....grooming wise poodle types take as much time (if not more) to groom, and when the hair has to come off there is a lot of it - if you are sending him to a grooming parlour why not do that with a goldie and keep on top of it in between times.
Again....I really do not see the point - sorry.
However - my mother obviously does and informed me this evening that her next dog is going to be a Springer x poodle
I guess I have never understood the whole 'thing' surrounding non-moulting dogs. If the breed I wanted happened to be non-moulting I would consider it a bonus, but I certainly wouldn't make that the deciding factor when choosing a dog. For me, dealing with moulting is just another part of dog ownership. Sweeping and hoovering more regularly isn't exactly a bad thing.
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19-06-2009, 07:18 PM
Originally Posted by dog-nut
YOU REALLY DON'T GET THE POINT OF THOSE WHO SAY THEY DON'T WANT TO CREATE A BREED.
TO CREATE A BREED (OF A STANDARD LOOK), YOU MUST DO A LARGE AMOUNT OF INBREEDING AT THE BEGINNING.
THAT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE TO THE BETTER DOODLE BREEDERS.
THEREFORE, THEY ONLY WANT TO FIX THE NON-SHED, SIZE AND TEMPERAMENT TRAITS.
THIS IS NOT ENOUGH TO BE ACCEPTED BY THE AKC IN THE USA, AND THAT IS OK WITH THE DOODLE PEOPLE.
AS FOR THE AUSTRALIAN DOODLES, I BELIEVE THE TOP BREEDERS HAVE FIXED THE NON-SHED TRAIT.
THEY HAVE GREAT DOGS, AND CHARGE ALOT FOR IT.
FOR THE THOSE WHO CAN'T FACE IT, I WILL REPEAT...THE PURPOSE OF A GOLDENDOODLE IS TO GIVE PEOPLE WHO LOVE GOLDENS THE POSSIBLIITY TO HAVE A LOW SHED DOG.
THAT IS AS GOOD A PURPOSE AS ALMOST ALL OTHER BREEDS (EXCEPT THE WORKING DOGS).
On Wed night at work a man came in, leaving his wife and goldendoodle waiting. I, of course, snuck out to have a looksee and a pet. For the 10 minutes I met her, what an incredible girl! The couple own the dog daycare in the town I work in. As I was oooing and aaaahhhing (because she was an absolute sweetheart) they were quick to tell me there was no guarantees on the non-shed quality. They also said (cuz I asked) both her parents had OFA and CERF paperwork. Obviously this was not an uninformed purchase. They were just coming home from the birthday party they were having for their dog with 35 of their best dog daycare friends.
Poodles don't do it for me either. I had a work buddy bring his three well-bred Standard Poodles out to my land to try to convince me - it just convinced me more that the Poodle is not a breed for me. My back yard neighbour also has a Toy Poodle that has come and shared time in my yard often over the last 8 years. All have had an edginess to their personality and an activity level that I do not like. Bombproof, calm and laid back are my highest rated qualities in a dog so this is obviously not a breed for me. Quite honestly, I despise the tightly curled coats as well (especially the feel, but the look as well). Wavy coats, which I have seen and now felt on doodles, I find tolerable though, and I have found with the mixbreeds that temperament edginess seems to be less sharp.
Personally, as I truly have disliked all the Poodles I have met, I would never gamble a Doodle, but I understand why others who would want to.
I've just never suffered the illusion that it is my place to involve and dictate my needs/wants/desires to others decisions. For that reason alone I will always argue the right of others to breed or buy mixbred dogs.
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19-06-2009, 07:22 PM
Originally Posted by labradork
Why is shedding such a big deal? I don't get it. If you 'love Goldens', get a Golden and clean more. I sweep up every day and it is hardly the end of the world.
We do not have any reaction to Ernie.
When you suffer from allergies, there is also a pychological issue with seeing the shedding hair.
Even if I wasn't allergic, I would prefer a low shed dog, if possible.
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