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Originally Posted by
chaz
Have I said that you have no experience? Or that I know all about you, everyone can learn about things very easily, and develop their own opionions on these things too.
Yes people can learn and they can also experience, but very easily? I don’t think so – its taken a long time for the truth about greyhound racing to come to the publics attention and fortunately with most people they are coming to a very different conclusion to you. Like you the people involved never want the bad things to come out only the nicey nicey stuff
Originally Posted by
chaz
“The experience I have is from talking to people involved in the sport, I use to be a anti, look back in this thread, I even got a added rep from you , but I've listened to people, went to a few races, volunteered in a rescue home for Staffs, and got a little experience from Greyhound kennels from that aswell, I had a friend in scholl whose Auntie bred and raced these dogs too, and saw hers occanisally, although I've since lost contact, well a lot has happened since school!! I've also learnt a lot more about working dogs too, and I plan on getting a lot more experience from these kennels.”:
But this para certainly implies only you can, just because others disagree with you. As I said others too have looked and listened and been involved yet came to very different conclusions to you. Yet you’ve only been to a couple of races, have little experience of kennels and had a friend in school.
Originally Posted by
chaz
Because he is a pet, yes its sad that so many dogs go through rescue homes, and that does include Greyhounds, it would be lovely if people could keep their dogs for the full life, but not everyone does, and yes there are many horror stories about what has happened to Greyhounds once they have finished their carrier, and some of them make me sick to my stomach, but tbh I think that instead of keep using this as the main argument, well you should look more at people who don't rehome their dogs, and look at why some of them are being pts, as the ones who don't see a rescue, live out there time with the trainer, etc are the really unlucky ones (and that is if they don't get dumped first) but I believe that rescues and Greyhound trainers should work more in parternership with each other, so that the trainers give more in for rehoming the dog, and the rescue matches each dog to a home asap (which I know rescues do, before anything is said), but something like this could benefit the Greyhounds. Which from what I believe is happening already,
but I would still rather judge people who don't do things like that, then people who don't
Of course some people have to give up their dogs for various reasons but most do not buy them or breed them knowing damn well they will be put into recue at pretty much best – do they? Certainly most have not used them to make money and put them into rescue when they get too old to do so, or maybe in your vast experience most pet owners do?
Many horror stories yet only some of them make you sick – which ones don’t, which ones do you understand and find acceptable then?
Why would I want to say oh this guy kept his dog or took it home etc etc yet you expect me to not mention the horrors that go on – sorry but that is typical of someone in the industry ‘don’t mention the bad ever, just the good’ sorry but just how is that going to stop the cruelty? Again more of those involved sticking together and wanting everything bad hidden away
Let me get this straight you actually think rescues have spare room and cash to take these dogs once the owners have finished with them and this is actually the rescue’s fault for actually disagreeing with the industry that does it?? You really think its up to the rescues to put their meagre finances, space and time into clearing up this industries mess? Why, when if these dogs were properly looked after post racing career and treated as other dogs, those spaces, finances etc could be put towards homing dogs who’s owners have had to put their dogs in rescue, not just choose to do.
Im not quite sure what your last sentence is referring to but are you saying we should not judge those who inflict cruelty only judging those who do right (and obviously judge them favourably). You only judge people who do right by their dogs, you do not judge those that don’t? Can I ask what your reasoning is behind this – why should those who inflict cruelty, in any walk of life, not be judged?
Originally Posted by
chaz
This prolly won't be worded right but here goes nobody likes cruelty, but it does happen everywhere, even where its least expected, its not a case of understanding and accepting it, if
you do something about it then good for you, thats up to you, but don't judge the whole thing based on some, which tbh is what I feel has happened with Greyhound racing, people hear about the cruelty more then they hear about the nice stories, and I'm not aiming this at you, but everyone really
What?? Good for me its up to likes of me? That’s exactly the attitude I have come across with those in the industry! Yeah we know it goes on but if you want to stop cruelty its up to you not us actually involved, watching it, knowing it happens, its only a damn greyhound anyway!
So basically when you go to work with these trainers and you see something cruel its up to the likes of me to do something not you? Do you honestly think everyone feels that way? I wonder what state this world would be in, and as you so like making comparisons, we would still be stuffing kids up chimneys and slavery would still be here - well its up to you if you do something about it, not me attitude!
Again you want the bad things pushed under the carpet and hidden from public view. Im pretty sure most on here would try to do something about cruelty and not just sit there going well I don’t really like it but it aint up to me to do anything about it – so can we please not let anyone know about it.