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17-07-2007, 12:51 PM
Originally Posted by Ramble 
I think every dog should be placed in the correct home for that dog. If it has a high work drive...but could have a good home with a 'pet' owner who is active and tresponsible and knows the breed, I don't think one should be favoured over the other. It has to be the best match for the dog/home. They shouldn't just take it's work drive into cnsideration...
After that, I am not so sure. I can only really speak about working collies, as that is the breed I have most experience of. I don't actually believe a collie with a high work drive could have as good a home with an active pet owner who didn't work it at all, than in a purely working home. JMO.
Also, I am not sure if I have made clear that the BC rescue don't only take a dog's work drive into consideration - they assess the whole dog, but with a border collie the work drive can be the most important aspect of that dog - and work can mean a fulfilling life.
My OH has dogs that I know really wouldn't fit into my lifestyle - and I work my dogs regularly, but not every day at the moment. He has dogs that live for work full stop. I have two working collies and both absolutely love their work, but they also enjoy long walks, cuddles on the sofa and all other things that come from being companions. So, yes, you are right that the whole dog needs to be assessed, but I feel if a dog has come from a working environment and has a high drive and commitment to work, then it would be unfair to choose a pet home over a work home.
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17-07-2007, 12:52 PM
Originally Posted by Mahooli
I've been told though that some sibe/malamute kennels will not rehome a dog to someone who works them in harness. It was many years ago mind so it may well have changed but I know someone who had a kennel of Sibes (I think may have been mals) and they were refused a rescue because they were going to work it!
Becky
Madness!!! I hope that isn't the case anymore!
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17-07-2007, 12:55 PM
Originally Posted by megan57collies
I have no problem with a rescue assessing each dog and giving it what they think is the best home situation. I would have a problem if a dog was assessed to fitting into a home situation but a rescues blanket rule of only rehoming to a working home. How is that the best for the dog. Sitting in kennels when it could be living in it's new home. As long as a rescues view is balanced and it does the very best for the dog concerned. I don't have a problem.
However, your last paragraph, saying the rescue having a blanket rule on only rehoming to working homes isn't correct. BC Rescue assess all dogs coming into their care for working ability, and choose the right home for the dog. If the dog has a high work drive, it goes to a working home. If it shows no aptitude for work, it goes to a pet home. I don't think the rescue would ever pass up a good pet home (that was suitable for the dog) in favour of waiting for the right working home.
In fact, another thing I really applaud this rescue for is that it matches dogs with owners. It isn't a case of a potential owner going and looking at the dogs and choosing one they fancy. The rescue find out as much about an owner as possible and then match them to a dog they think is suitable.
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17-07-2007, 01:06 PM
Originally Posted by Moobli
Good post Megan57.
However, your last paragraph, saying the rescue having a blanket rule on only rehoming to working homes isn't correct. BC Rescue assess all dogs coming into their care for working ability, and choose the right home for the dog. If the dog has a high work drive, it goes to a working home. If it shows no aptitude for work, it goes to a pet home. I don't think the rescue would ever pass up a good pet home (that was suitable for the dog) in favour of waiting for the right working home.
In fact, another thing I really applaud this rescue for is that it matches dogs with owners. It isn't a case of a potential owner going and looking at the dogs and choosing one they fancy. The rescue find out as much about an owner as possible and then match them to a dog they think is suitable.
No sorry I wasn't applying my remark to the BC Rescue you comment on. Had a look at their site and think it's great.
I was speaking in general but I do know of one BC rescue that only takes in collies and will only home them to working homes.
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17-07-2007, 01:07 PM
Originally Posted by Louise13
I think dedicated breed rescue's are the way to go..
Primarily the people dealing with specific breeds will obviously know the breed and have owned the breed and dealt with all aspects of the breeds behaviour having personally owned and worked them for numerous years which give them the personal experience as an "upper hand"...
Most people who deal with whatever breed will then be able to recognise the working potential in the breed and can home accordingly..
I firmly beleive that a breed rescue should be deferred to from an all breed rescue centre and they should hand over these specific breeds to be dealt with accordingly by experienced people in the breed and be assessed by these people who know what they are looking at..
1)ethical, reliable, trustworthy
2) knowledgeable in canine behaviour/psychology *as well* as breed traits.
3) qualified/experienced in canine temperament assessment and applicant people assessment and therefore rehoming matching
Believe, just like general rescues, you get some crap breed ones.
I used to have to assess both types to see if they were workable with my ex rescue - i could tell you stories re some breed rescues that would make your hair stand on end!
Not to mention, some breed rescues just dont have the space or the time when you ask them to take the dog or help you rehome them.
Just like general rescues really.
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17-07-2007, 01:10 PM
Originally Posted by Moobli
Totally agree with the first sentence
After that, I am not so sure. I can only really speak about working collies, as that is the breed I have most experience of. I don't actually believe a collie with a high work drive could have as good a home with an active pet owner who didn't work it at all, than in a purely working home. JMO.
Also, I am not sure if I have made clear that the BC rescue don't only take a dog's work drive into consideration - they assess the whole dog, but with a border collie the work drive can be the most important aspect of that dog - and work can mean a fulfilling life.
My OH has dogs that I know really wouldn't fit into my lifestyle - and I work my dogs regularly, but not every day at the moment. He has dogs that live for work full stop. I have two working collies and both absolutely love their work, but they also enjoy long walks, cuddles on the sofa and all other things that come from being companions. So, yes, you are right that the whole dog needs to be assessed, but I feel if a dog has come from a working environment and has a high drive and commitment to work, then it would be unfair to choose a pet home over a work home.
There is a difference with a collie who shows herding instincts and a collie who has a high work drive. These dogs rarely settle into a pet life and slowly turn mental. For these sort of dogs, no amount of exercise, agility etc, is good enough, there is the odd one that may settle, but it is minimal.
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17-07-2007, 01:13 PM
Originally Posted by megan57collies
You starting an argument again working girl
No sorry I wasn't applying my remark to the BC Rescue you comment on. Had a look at their site and think it's great.
I was speaking in general but I do know of one BC rescue that only takes in collies and will only home them to working homes.
I must be in an argumentative mood today I see now, and thanks for clarifying. Which rescue is it that only home to working homes? (PM if you don't want to go public).
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17-07-2007, 01:15 PM
Originally Posted by megan57collies
Totally agree with this.
There is a difference with a collie who shows herding instincts and a collie who has a high work drive. These dogs rarely settle into a pet life and slowly turn mental. For these sort of dogs, no amount of exercise, agility etc, is good enough, there is the odd one that may settle, but it is minimal.
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