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27-11-2012, 09:33 PM
Originally Posted by x-clo-x View Post
we've kept all ours into old age. they live with the main huntsman at his house and then the whipper in owns 6 of them. we lost two of our oldie last year. if they havent moved onto another hunt while they are younger they stay put, and retire with the people theyve always lived with. (even though ive already claimed one of ours when she's an oldie )
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well our hounds dont get destroyed when they are past it, we still have hounds at 9 years old (think thats our oldest) we often swap hounds with other hunts, for instance one has just gone to stud somewhere.

yes people do get rid of hounds that dont work, just like people who get rid of collies who dont work on the farm, or greyhounds who dont run etc. it happens everywhere when the dog isnt good enough for the job it is meant to do.

alot of working folk tend to do work on the dogs themselves, its not just hunt people and their hounds.

we dont whack our young ones when theyre training or our old ones. like i said in my previous post we whip around the area.

ive been hit with a whip, yeah it hurts that was us pratting about though
When you say get rid of hounds that dont work, do you mean destroy them?

your hunt must have loads of retired hounds if they dont kill Any of them, thats very unsual for a hunt indeed, are they still taken out with the pack? or do they go out as an elderly pack?

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im sure they could make great pets, however there are not many people who would be able to cope with a hound thats been working for 7 years and been allowed to kill. i think personally they would be more of a challenge than your siberians.. they are used to living in massive packs, sleeping with at least 5 from anywhere up to 30 other dogs. do you think its fair on that dog after being kenneled for 7 years with other dogs, been exercised for hours and hours a day, free reign, to be put in a house on his own, with nowhere near the exercise theyre used to getting?
Sibes are a pack breed, but i know plenty who live as single dogs. One of mine was imported from France, he was 3 & a half when we got him, lived all his life in kennels, he adapted to life in a home wonderfully!
A few people i know have Siberian imports from racing kennels. The kennels some of these dogs have come from compete in races like the Iditerod, a distance of over 1000 miles, the teams complete the course in approx 2 weeks. So if ever there was a breed built for stamina & endurance its the sibe, if these animals can adapt perfectly well to living in a domestic situation...so can any breed.

My sibes would Not have let go of that little fox like those hounds did, they are a primitive breed and their hunting instincts are innate, they wernt trained to hunt in cooperation with humans, in the Arctic summers they were turned out to hunt for themselves to survive.

The Hounds belonging to lady on the other forum look extremely happy living in a home, the one i use to know also.

I honestly think its Disgusting that 3,000-7000, mostly young healthy hounds, are disposed off like rubbish, year upon year! Look at these Exceptionally lucky hounds given a chance of a home and to live do you not think it far kinder to give hounds a chance?.... http://foxhoundwelfareuk.jimdo.com/s...he-lucky-ones/

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27-11-2012, 09:44 PM
Originally Posted by Noushka05 View Post
When you say get rid of hounds that dont work, do you mean destroy them?

your hunt must have loads of retired hounds if they dont kill Any of them, thats very unsual for a hunt indeed, are they still taken out with the pack? or do they go out as an elderly pack?



Sibes are a pack breed, but i know plenty who live as single dogs. One of mine was imported from France, he was 3 & a half when we got him, lived all his life in kennels, he adapted to life in a home wonderfully!
A few people i know have Siberian imports from racing kennels. The kennels some of these dogs have come from compete in races like the Iditerod, a distance of over 1000 miles, the teams complete the course in approx 2 weeks. So if ever there was a breed built for stamina & endurance its the sibe, if these animals can adapt perfectly well to living in a domestic situation...so can any breed.

The Hounds belonging to lady on the other forum look extremely happy living in a home, the one i use to know also.

I honestly think its Disgusting that 3,000-7000, mostly young healthy hounds, are disposed off like rubbish, year upon year! Look at these Exceptionally lucky hounds given a chance of a home and to live do you not think it far kinder to give hounds a chance?.... http://foxhoundwelfareuk.jimdo.com/s...he-lucky-ones/

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Yes some hunts do destroy their hounds. Not something I necessarily agree with, but it happens. I'd love for some of the hounds to go to homes, but they would have to be very specialist homes, and there certainly aren't enough for hounds when there aren't enough for easier pet breeds!

We haven't destroyed any of our hounds, but then we only have a small pack. We lost two oldies last year who were out a few weeks upto when they died. They were still allowed on the hunt, they may not be as quick as they used to, but its not an issue because the young ones kept up front. We've had one litter this year in which 6 pups have been kept (I think)
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27-11-2012, 09:45 PM
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Although I come from a very strong fox hunting background, I am no longer a "pro". However, I would strongly advocate anyone - both anti and pro - reading the book "The Running Foxes" by Joyce Stranger. It is very moving, from both viewpoints.
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I read this many years ago.
I use to love Joyce Stranger books, ive never read that particular one, but i remember reading one about a deer called Rusty, chia the wildcat (or something like that lol) and one about a sheepdog, i loved her books when i was a kid
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27-11-2012, 09:49 PM
Originally Posted by x-clo-x View Post
Yes some hunts do destroy their hounds. Not something I necessarily agree with, but it happens. I'd love for some of the hounds to go to homes, but they would have to be very specialist homes, and there certainly aren't enough for hounds when there aren't enough for easier pet breeds!

We haven't destroyed any of our hounds, but then we only have a small pack. We lost two oldies last year who were out a few weeks upto when they died. They were still allowed on the hunt, they may not be as quick as they used to, but its not an issue because the young ones kept up front. We've had one litter this year in which 6 pups have been kept (I think)
I'm very glad to hear you and your hunt haven't destroyed hounds but it horrifies me that others do. I understand you say you don't agree with it but it isn't acceptable that "it happens". That says to me that they are of no use to anyone, have no other function in life, unless they are excellent hunters - and when they've served their purpose - bye bye!
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27-11-2012, 09:53 PM
Originally Posted by Noushka05 View Post
When you say get rid of hounds that dont work, do you mean destroy them?

your hunt must have loads of retired hounds if they dont kill Any of them, thats very unsual for a hunt indeed, are they still taken out with the pack? or do they go out as an elderly pack?



Sibes are a pack breed, but i know plenty who live as single dogs. One of mine was imported from France, he was 3 & a half when we got him, lived all his life in kennels, he adapted to life in a home wonderfully!
A few people i know have Siberian imports from racing kennels. The kennels some of these dogs have come from compete in races like the Iditerod, a distance of over 1000 miles, the teams complete the course in approx 2 weeks. So if ever there was a breed built for stamina & endurance its the sibe, if these animals can adapt perfectly well to living in a domestic situation...so can any breed.

My sibes would Not have let go of that little fox like those hounds did, they are a primitive breed and their hunting instincts are innate, they wernt trained to hunt in cooperation with humans, in the Arctic summers they were turned out to hunt for themselves to survive.

The Hounds belonging to lady on the other forum look extremely happy living in a home, the one i use to know also.

I honestly think its Disgusting that 3,000-7000, mostly young healthy hounds, are disposed off like rubbish, year upon year! Look at these Exceptionally lucky hounds given a chance of a home and to live do you not think it far kinder to give hounds a chance?.... http://foxhoundwelfareuk.jimdo.com/s...he-lucky-ones/

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How are these dogs killed?
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27-11-2012, 09:55 PM
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I would define 'killing for fun' where one enjoys the act of (or takes pleasure from) killing, or taking part in, an activity where an animal is killed.

If you like shooting - there are shooting activities that don't involve the killing of animals, such as disk/clay shooting.

Or there's always video games
So you have no problem with people hunting for food, but you dont agree with killing it? Is that what you mean Azz? Because earlier you said its healthier.

Surely you must enjoy hunting for food and killing ready to eat? Or are folk supposed to be down right miserable when they do it?
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27-11-2012, 10:00 PM
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So you have no problem with people hunting for food, but you dont agree with killing it? Is that what you mean Azz? Because earlier you said its healthier.

Surely you must enjoy hunting for food and killing ready to eat? Or are folk supposed to be down right miserable when they do it?
Sorry to interrupt but I think it's probably a means to an end for some?

My nan years ago used to buy chickens live on the market in Ireland. Not of means, she had to kill the bird herself for her family to eat. It doesn't mean she enjoyed killing it - far from it.
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27-11-2012, 10:02 PM
Originally Posted by x-clo-x View Post
Yes some hunts do destroy their hounds. Not something I necessarily agree with, but it happens. I'd love for some of the hounds to go to homes, but they would have to be very specialist homes, and there certainly aren't enough for hounds when there aren't enough for easier pet breeds!

We haven't destroyed any of our hounds, but then we only have a small pack. We lost two oldies last year who were out a few weeks upto when they died. They were still allowed on the hunt, they may not be as quick as they used to, but its not an issue because the young ones kept up front. We've had one litter this year in which 6 pups have been kept (I think)
Your hounds are an exception then x-clo-x, because i was informed by MFHA that failed and retired hounds were generally destroyed.



Hounds are just as much the victims as the foxes.
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27-11-2012, 10:10 PM
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Sorry to interrupt but I think it's probably a means to an end for some?

My nan years ago used to buy chickens live on the market in Ireland. Not of means, she had to kill the bird herself for her family to eat. It doesn't mean she enjoyed killing it - far from it.
Interrupt away.

How many? I mean how many people have to actually go out hunting and kill stuff to eat?

I totally agree with you about your nan. The point you make is correct for me, "years ago." Not now. Those that dont work, and do stuff all everyday most likely eat better than you or I !!
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27-11-2012, 10:11 PM
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How are these dogs killed?
They are shot.
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