Yes. The reason dogs are so easy to mistreat is that they will cheerfully lick the hand that beats them.

As Dr. Dunbar likes to say "We beat dogs because they are beatable" and he follows this by also noting that horses and people are equally beatable.

Ramble: you said:

Had your training been that spot on though Gnasher, after you having to repeatedly tell him to stop mounting another bitch in season (you do seem to come across a lot of them)...then he wouldn't even have attempted to mount this one surely??

Tai is a bit of a babe magnet - we call him the Brad Pitt of the dog world !! He is pursued relentlessly by shameless tarts, who interfere with him and make him all unfrocked!

Joking apart, he is very appealing to the opposite sex, and if I had a pound for every owner who has said to me "ooo, my bitch doesn't normally tolerate males sniffing round her", I would be a wealthy woman! He has girlfriends on every corner, several at each pub that we visit, and regulars who we meet along the towpaths or in the various woods around here.

To criticise my training here is a bit rich !! How many entire males do YOU know, Ramble, who will ignore a bitch on heat ... Tai is only a wolf, not an automaton! However good, or not, I am as a trainer, he is never going to totally ignore a female in full season. I think it is amazing quite frankly that just 3 words "Tai Tai come" and an increase in my bike speed was enough to call him off this bitch. I would have expected at the very least to have to stop and grab him, but no, he came. Hal would have totally ignored me, mounted her and I would have had to squirt him with the water bottle to dampen his ardour, at the very least ! And he would have growled at me as I pulled him off her. I am taking no credit for Tai, he is a very good dog, but when we got him he had no manners. He now, thanks to CM's methods, has perfect manners.

Three posts (the last three) all criticising/ridiculing Gnasher. This thread is supposed to be about CM; not Gnasher. Why are you all so intent on ripping Gnasher to pieces. Oh yeah, she's a pro-CM'er.....................

She's pretty much the only one willing to continue the "debate" with you people. Once she gives up, who will you ridicule/criticise then??????? It's quite sad really

So true, can you imagine taking your wolf for a walk, off lead might I add, with all these in season bitches around. Oh dear, not responsible is it.

Other pros Like "Trouble " seem to be able to get their point accross on CM Threads very well indeed.Without accussing the antis of bullying her!!!!!

You don't think that post smacks of ridicule and sarcasm....................

I know what I think about that post. Others can make up their own minds

So is Gnasher telling us the truth is Tai a wolf or not? If he is a 'wolf' then she is being irresponsible if he is not a 'wolf' then she is obviously not telling the truth. Which is it?

Oh, that's okay then Bully away, because everybody should be able to take it if Trouble can

What an attitude!!!!!!

Clearly, tinkladyv was feeling deeply upset by the treatment by some and yet that has been played down.

When a person is afraid to express their views, for fear of being jumped on, having their posts ripped apart and being accused (in a round about way) of abusing their dogs, it pretty much amounts to bullying in my mind. The fact you can log off, does not detract from the hurt/upset that person is feeling/felt.

Obviously, some of you have not experienced bullying at close range You don't seem to understand how badly it can destroy confidence.