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15-11-2005, 01:27 PM
unfortunetely i think there are far too many owners of staffies who are the typical chavs and want to look hard. I have found that most of the staffies owned by chavs are aggressive because the owner encourages it and thinks its great!
Meet any decent staffie owner and i bet most of them will be nice. Much like any breed, it jus happens that the 'nicer' breeds arent bought as a penis extension! i dont think the chavs will buy a poodle to boost their ego! So u find so many more poorly bred staffies and poorly brought up staffies.

I dont think they are any more likely than any other breed to be aggressive, theres just more of them around owned by idiots than there are decent owners!
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15-11-2005, 01:28 PM
Originally Posted by Jenny
unfortunetely i think there are far too many owners of staffies who are the typical chavs and want to look hard. I have found that most of the staffies owned by chavs are aggressive because the owner encourages it and thinks its great!
Meet any decent staffie owner and i bet most of them will be nice. Much like any breed, it jus happens that the 'nicer' breeds arent bought as a penis extension! i dont think the chavs will buy a poodle to boost their ego! So u find so many more poorly bred staffies and poorly brought up staffies.

I dont think they are any more likely than any other breed to be aggressive, theres just more of them around owned by idiots than there are decent owners!
Totally agree with that Jenny
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15-11-2005, 01:29 PM
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My staffies are lovely little sooks, but on saying that, I have met people with staffies when waling mine, and they haven't been at all friendly, one or two have had a go at my girls, so i can understand where you are coming from Tuti....There is good and bad in all breeds, and there are a lot of misguided staffie owners that expect their dogs to be aggressive, they are a status symbol!!I had a remark made about my Gypsy a few years ago, because she is scared of barking dogs, she will hide behind me if a dog barks near her..I was told she was a disgrace to the breed because she was scared..!!
omg that's horrible what was she meant to do, attack the barking dog?

I have met a few staffs like yours Moli who are the sweetes little things.... but sadly most of the ones I meet these days are wearing 10kg of brass collars and snarling at Archie It's so annoying because like I said I really want to like this breed but every time I meet another staff with a stupid owner it puts me off more
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15-11-2005, 01:29 PM
Originally Posted by tuti
Hayley please calm down and stay on topic. If you want to start a thread about small yappy terriers go ahead - I'm not stopping you.

And please keep the personal remark to yourself. I'm not out to cause offence or be offended - just want to have an ADULT debate.
hi tuti i wanst personally attack you i was just saying this should not be in a debate section, sorry if it came across as thou im having a go at you! but been as this my choice of breed them im gonna have to stick up for them!
if u had put this under and nother thread name of section then it wouldnt be so bad! it does not belong in debates

so im sorry if i personally attacking but i wasnt coming across that way!
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15-11-2005, 01:29 PM
From my own experience with Loki I've met sweet, friendly staffs and aggressive staffs. But then I've met sweet and aggressive dogs of many breeds, including GHDs, JRs, Labs, Red Setter, Boxers, etc. etc.

I've read about aggressive staffs but can't honestly say the ones I've met have been any worse than any other breed.

Some examples of SBTs we've met:

Loki's friend Holly SBT knew him from a pup and she is really good with him. Poor old girl puts up with a lot from my madlad.

Another SBT we met was happy to socialise but Loki took a dislike to him and started the trouble - his owner said he gets that a lot for some reason.

One we met at the vets the other day was very aggressive.

A SBT pup we met was the cutest, sweetest, most gentle little thing ever.
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15-11-2005, 01:29 PM
I don't get to meet too many Staffies round here but a friend of mine had one and she was a lovely dog. She wasn't concerned about other dogs at all - all she wanted to do was find a large stone and carry it in her mouth and she was happy. She was about 15 when she was put to sleep earlier this year I did meet a male staffy a few weeks ago and I don't know why but wimpy Benji started crying when he saw it walking towards him I told him to stop being so soft - he usually loves to play with any other dog but there was something about this one that put him off. Perhaps it was the way it walked up to him like a mini-tank LOL but his owner just said come on Marley time for home and off he trotted obediently
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15-11-2005, 01:31 PM
Originally Posted by tuti
Hi Jenny Do you think it's possible that 'overbreeding' would cause aggression?

I think maybe you're right about the popularity of staffies, but also the fact that maybe 70% of the dogs that have attacked Archie have been SBTs, so I tend to be a bit more nervous when I see them.

Hi China Is it all down to training yet? I'm also wondering about this because at DD most of the WFTs we saw were quite naughty and wilfull, and Archie was very placid and well behaved.... part of his behaviour it seems is inherited from his granddad who was very calm, but we have also worked very hard with training. So maybe it's possible to curb instinct well with VERY good training? (we have been really strict with Archie)

hi tuti, not necessarily over breeding, but puppy farmers catching onto the craze and stupid owners who breed any two dogs together. Unfortunetely quite often they will breed their dog even if its aggressive, and there u end up with 8 little puppies copying mums aggressive behaviour... 8 new agressive staffies in the world being passed onto more idiot owners who want a bargain and who want a buck or two from breeding aswell!

If staffies are bred and brought up properly by knowledgable caring owners, they can be great dogs and not aggressive at all. They would be socialised better, brought up better and cared for better.
As with any breed, when the unknowledgable owners start breeding, this is where the problems arise.
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15-11-2005, 01:31 PM
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unfortunetely i think there are far too many owners of staffies who are the typical chavs and want to look hard. I have found that most of the staffies owned by chavs are aggressive because the owner encourages it and thinks its great!
Meet any decent staffie owner and i bet most of them will be nice. Much like any breed, it jus happens that the 'nicer' breeds arent bought as a penis extension! i dont think the chavs will buy a poodle to boost their ego! So u find so many more poorly bred staffies and poorly brought up staffies.

I dont think they are any more likely than any other breed to be aggressive, theres just more of them around owned by idiots than there are decent owners!
I agree with you Jen that more idiots own staffs than any other breed but don't you think staffs would have an inclination to be aggressive because of their history?
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15-11-2005, 01:33 PM
Im not going to lie, staffies arent one of my favourite breeds, and i admit i treat them with more caution than say a spaniel or a lab, but i dont by any means hate them, they are a wonderful breed, its just such a shame the label they have been given
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15-11-2005, 01:34 PM
Originally Posted by Hayley SBT
why seems i have to repeat myself alot! maybe if u did a search tuti on dogweb about staffs and dog agression then you may have got an answer! and you may think oh hayley you bitch but maybe you should have thought before u put this thread up!

Hayley Tuti was well in her rights to do so!! She has put her opinion across thats all. As a Staffie owner you should maybe Educate rather than disapproving of someones post. At the end of the day I too myself have had bad experiences with staffs and yes, rearing A Staffordshire Bull Terrier sensibly and responsibly plays a very big part on how a dog will mature. Yes, this also includes other breeds, but sadly SBT is the one of the Breeds that has the bad press too.


Tuti, the problem today is the way they are brought up the couple who had the puppy don't trust their own dog now that is sad!! I let my dogs off lead, and i hold them by the colour if anyone is unsure, I smile at them politely and half the time they make an effort to aproach my dogs, Why? Because i too am polite and they trust me!! If my dogs were dog agressive, i wouldn't allow them off lead. Kai is no angel, he has bigger balls than King Kong lol but only when Keisha is in season. She can be back at the house, but Kai can be on the beach and be annoyed with everyone Thats just his male ego I presume

So sorry you have had bad experiences, I will be in London in the new year with my gang, hopefully we can meet up, Archie too!!!!!
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